I'm not sure if I'm early or late to this particular party but I've
bought a couple of the above, one for me to 'play with' and one for
our daughters boyfriend to borrow (while he retains the b/f status
anyway) ;-)
We dumped an NTL/VM telephone line a while back (still have the BT
line) that was for our daughter but as with many 17 year olds lives
with her mobile, her land line wasn't good vfm.
I bought a Fritz!Box Fon Wlan (with help here) and a basic pair of
DECT phones (one downstairs, another up) but because our very old NTL
modem didn't like some of the network upgrades going on and was a bit
temperamental she would often get VoIP (Sipgate) calls dropped. I have
since replaced the modem and although the broadband is now rock solid
again she is still suffering the odd weird Dalek moment / dropout on
VoIP? (VM cable and / or Sipgate possibly)?
Prompted by said b/f being instructed by his Mum to 'lay off the phone
usage (a £200 quarterly BT bill being something to do with it .. we
'understood' they had a free evenings and weekends bundle ...
obviously not ..) I thought I'd try him with the DP-L10.
I set mine up easily to Sipgate and also put in an old Virgin PAYG SIM
I had kicking about. I've tried it from a few mates WiFi networks
(only quick test calls) where it seems to auto connect and register
onto Sipgate pretty reliably, the calls connect first time and are
clear etc.
It feels very much a mobile rather than home phone in the hand as such
(also no drop-in charging cradle supplied but a mobile style (USB)
charging / data lead .. mains charger also included), mobile phone
type menus and setup etc.
Anyway, still early days but I'd thought I'd mention what I've
experienced so far.
> I'm not sure if I'm early or late to this particular party but I've
> bought a couple of the above,
I looked into these when they first came out, but was put off by the
price [not far off the cost of a used N95 or E61, both of which have 3G
as well]. As you're using Sipgate I presume you've bought the subsidised
ones from them; is it possible to change the SIP proxy so it could be
used elsewhere?
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On 03 May 2008 21:59:49 GMT, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 03 May 2008 20:10:47 +0000, T i m wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if I'm early or late to this particular party but I've
>> bought a couple of the above,
>
>I looked into these when they first came out, but was put off by the
>price [not far off the cost of a used N95 or E61, both of which have 3G
>as well].
Ok ..
>As you're using Sipgate I presume you've bought the subsidised
>ones from them;
Yes, well I noticed they were pretty cheap (at £59 etc).
> is it possible to change the SIP proxy so it could be
>used elsewhere?
From what I understand you configure the phone as you see fit?
Is there anything I could try to test that for you?
> On 03 May 2008 21:59:49 GMT, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> As you're using Sipgate I presume you've bought the subsidised ones
>> from them;
> Yes, well I noticed they were pretty cheap (at £59 etc).
At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling them
at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109 on
eBay, no mention of VAT]. But then I thought, even if they were locked,
it would forever for Sipgate to make their money back at their rates. So
I've come to the conclusion that either a) Sipgate get them cheaper than
everyone else, b) Sipgate lose money on every one or, c) Everyone else is
coining it in.
> From what I understand you configure the phone as you see fit?
>
> Is there anything I could try to test that for you?
Just go into the WLAN/SIP settings and if it lets you specify anything
other than sipgate.co.uk for domain name/proxy server/register server,
then it should work with services other than Sipgate. I am interested in
one and I use Sipgate, but I use it through Asterisk so if it was locked
it would be no use to me.
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On 04 May 2008 11:44:33 GMT, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 03 May 2008 22:18:50 +0000, T i m wrote:
>
>> On 03 May 2008 21:59:49 GMT, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> As you're using Sipgate I presume you've bought the subsidised ones
>>> from them;
>
>> Yes, well I noticed they were pretty cheap (at £59 etc).
>
>At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling them
>at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109 on
>eBay, no mention of VAT].
I must say I was looking for the 'catch' (but didn't spot any) and as
I was probably going to use them through Sipgate anyway so it wasn't a
show stopper for me.
>But then I thought, even if they were locked,
>it would forever for Sipgate to make their money back at their rates.
Indeed, especially from me!
> So
>I've come to the conclusion that either
>a) Sipgate get them cheaper than everyone else,
Might have done a deal ..? Do you know how old this model is .. or is
there something better due out soon?
> b) Sipgate lose money on every one
Do the bean counters let that happen these days?
>c) Everyone else is
>coining it in.
That would be my bet. If you can buy a WiFi dongle for a couple of
quid, a mobile for £20 and a pair of DECT phones for the same I can't
see any device like that selling for more than 50 quid really?
>
>> From what I understand you configure the phone as you see fit?
>>
>> Is there anything I could try to test that for you?
>
>Just go into the WLAN/SIP settings and if it lets you specify anything
>other than sipgate.co.uk for domain name/proxy server/register server,
>then it should work with services other than Sipgate. I am interested in
>one and I use Sipgate, but I use it through Asterisk so if it was locked
>it would be no use to me.
Ok, weal I changed the domain to a made up one and I lost the VOIP
field on the display (so it did something that's for sure). I blanked
the field and it said VOIP again?
All the best ..
T i m
p.s. Daughters boyfriend has just set his up and we have had a chat.
I'll have to say the audio quality was pretty good. ;-)
> >At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling them
> >at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109 on
> >eBay, no mention of VAT].
> >> From what I understand you configure the phone as you see fit?
Yes, as long as the firmware allows it. We have 3 of these at home -
all with different firmwares - all registered to a home PiaF Asterisk
system. Though not the Pirelli phone, they're T-Mobile TC300s, which
is basically a rebadged version. Used in conjunction with the TC300
Sinus base staion, the phones can be used to call, and receive calls,
via 3 different routes - 1 as an ordinary mobile (GSM), 2 through a
VOIP account (voipbuster/asterisk or whatever) and 3 through your
landline. Without the Sinus base station, it has just the 2 modes, GSM
and VOIP, though of course, used with a Fritzbox, Asterisk or
Speedtouch 780wl, or whatever kit has PSTN connectivity, you should be
able to dial out via your landline too...
> >Just go into the WLAN/SIP settings and if it lets you specify anything
> >other than sipgate.co.uk for domain name/proxy server/register server,
> >then it should work with services other than Sipgate. I am interested in
> >one and I use Sipgate, but I use it through Asterisk so if it was locked
> >it would be no use to me.
Don't know if the Sipgate one is locked or not. If it /is/ locked, you
could always change the firmware?
alexd wrote:
> At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling them
> at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109 on
> eBay, no mention of VAT]. But then I thought, even if they were locked,
> it would forever for Sipgate to make their money back at their rates. So
> I've come to the conclusion that either a) Sipgate get them cheaper than
> everyone else, b) Sipgate lose money on every one or, c) Everyone else is
> coining it in.
Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.
"Tim" <tim@kooky.org> wrote in message
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> alexd wrote:
> > At first I assumed they were locked to Sipgate, as nobody is selling
them
> > at anywhere near the price that Sipgate do [cheapest I've seen is £109
on
> > eBay, no mention of VAT]. But then I thought, even if they were locked,
> > it would forever for Sipgate to make their money back at their rates. So
> > I've come to the conclusion that either a) Sipgate get them cheaper than
> > everyone else, b) Sipgate lose money on every one or, c) Everyone else
is
> > coining it in.
>
> Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.
>
> Tim
Judging by the "blanket" email Sipgate has sent to its registered users, the
phone must
not be selling?
Tim
>Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.
Not necessarily, this is an unknown make (of phone) in UK and probably
Europe too, and it's neither simple mobile phone, nor fully featured one
like the top of the range Nokia's, etc.
Consequently it must be fairly difficult to sell.
But the price is right, so I am tempted.
Regards,
Martin
"Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
news:7I2dnQ3BnYevYLnVnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@plusnet...
> Tim
>>Or perhaps it is a rubbish phone that nobody else will buy.
>
> Not necessarily, this is an unknown make (of phone) in UK and probably
> Europe too, and it's neither simple mobile phone, nor fully featured one
> like the top of the range Nokia's, etc.
> Consequently it must be fairly difficult to sell.
> But the price is right, so I am tempted.
> Regards,
> Martin
And so was I, so I did, yesterday afternoon. Had an email an hour or so
later with a UPS tracking number to tell me it's on its way.
I understand that it's already loaded up with the Sipgate configuration for
voip, but when it arrives I'll have a go at changing that to Voxalot and
I'll report back.
It's all that T i m's fault. Yes, him with the spaces. He started all
this.
In news:1210417437.26663.0@proxy01.news.clara.net,
Iain <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
: mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
:
: > As they are selling so cheap compared with other outlets these from
: > Sipgate must have something wrong or different about them .
:
: We can rely on you to get it wrong, Ron.
Indeed ;-)
I look forward to a review from someone who's bought one, quite tempted.
The battery life quoted is a bit worrying though, being used to a Nokia
6310i which lasts for weeks on standby..!
"simon" <me@here.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 03 May 2008 20:10:47 GMT, T i m said:
>
>>Anyway, still early days but I'd thought I'd mention what I've
>>experienced so far.
>
> One thing that puts me off this phone is the one hour talk time (as
> reported by Sipgate). Is it really as bad as that?
This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported talk time of
240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
In news:g048lb$5t4$1@energise.enta.net,
cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: "simon" <me@here.invalid> wrote in message
: news:2jja24pmvshi3lcmlri50i4urjcq3dju94@4ax.com...
: > On Sat, 03 May 2008 20:10:47 GMT, T i m said:
: >
: >>Anyway, still early days but I'd thought I'd mention what I've
: >>experienced so far.
: >
: > One thing that puts me off this phone is the one hour talk time (as
: > reported by Sipgate). Is it really as bad as that?
:
: This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported talk
: time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
:
: http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
In news:63m924pgeg5d3lc6vpdporhutb0khredfh@4ax.com, mymail@hotmail.co.uk <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
[snip]
: I surprised that anything is selling regarding Sipgate I requested
: that they completely remove me from their database a year or so ago
: now but they still so fit to stuff their rubbish into my mailbox.
: It is time their UK representative got them sorted regarding sending
: out unsolicited mail in fact I shall be in the land of the great Adolf
: in a couple of weeks time I shall drop in and sort them myself .
I'd pay to see that..! I thought you said you'd never set foot in Germany,
Ron..?
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
news:68lve5F2tmnnfU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:g048lb$5t4$1@energise.enta.net,
> cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> : This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported talk
> : time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
> :
> : http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
>
> Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
> version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
>
> Ivor
<sucks in breath> I'm about to find out, as my my phone's due to be
delivered on Wednesday. I've checked the user manual for both 'models' and
they're identical. Any significant difference though, and back it trots to
Dusseldorf.
In news:fcjb241f0hsa6v00pc5bu7d7f1dtam26gr@4ax.com, mymail@hotmail.co.uk <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:07:45 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
: >In news:63m924pgeg5d3lc6vpdporhutb0khredfh@4ax.com,
: >mymail@hotmail.co.uk <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> typed, for some strange,
: >unexplained reason:
: >
: >[snip]
: >
: >: I surprised that anything is selling regarding Sipgate I requested
: >: that they completely remove me from their database a year or so ago
: >: now but they still so fit to stuff their rubbish into my mailbox.
: >: It is time their UK representative got them sorted regarding
: >: sending out unsolicited mail in fact I shall be in the land of the
: >: great Adolf in a couple of weeks time I shall drop in and sort
: >: them myself .
: >
: >I'd pay to see that..! I thought you said you'd never set foot in
: >Germany, Ron..?
: Where Sipgate is concerned I would even set foot in blasted Israel.
Ok let me know when, I'll come and watch..! I might even sell tickets.
In news:g04j2u$oir$1@energise.enta.net,
cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
: news:68lve5F2tmnnfU1@mid.individual.net...
: > In news:g048lb$5t4$1@energise.enta.net,
: > cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange,
: > unexplained reason:
: > : This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported
: > : talk time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
: > :
: > : http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
: >
: > Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
: > version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
: >
: > Ivor
:
: <sucks in breath> I'm about to find out, as my my phone's due to be
: delivered on Wednesday. I've checked the user manual for both
: 'models' and they're identical. Any significant difference though,
: and back it trots to Dusseldorf.
:
: I'll report back.
>As they are selling so cheap compared with other outlets these from
>Sipgate must have something wrong or different about them .
Jumping to conclusions again ?
Quite likely they got a job lot on the cheap, as I said, probably not a good
seller or maybe end of line,
but neither means that "must have something wrong with them ".
Martin
On 10 May, 13:51, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> I look forward to a review from someone who's bought one, quite tempted.
> The battery life quoted is a bit worrying though, being used to a Nokia
> 6310i which lasts for weeks on standby..!
>
> Ivor
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we have 3 of these at home.
We've had them for over a year and, yes, there are a few limitations.
That said, I do feel that they are quite good value for money - as
they suit our particular use...... My comments are based on the T-
Mobile TC300, a rebadged version of this phone, but one of ours has
the Pirelli firmware installed.
Limitations include:
1) Crap batteries and battery life. Two of the three we have were
bough second hand (as nearly new) off eBay and the batteries on those
2 handsets are diabolical... 4-6 hours on standby with only half an
hours talktime. New batteries can be had for about 20 Euros off ebay.
With a "good" battery, ti needs recharging after 2 days on standby.
These battery issues aren't really a problem for us as they sit in
their charging cradle when not in use. As the phones have to maintain
GSM and WLAN/SIP registration I suppose this adds to battery
consumption. If set to just GSM or WLAN batteries last a bit longer.
2) Wifi coverage around our house is not as good as the 2 pairs of
cordless Dect phones we also use, ie we can use the Dects in some
rooms where the TC300s struggle to hold the signal.
3) You can set up 5 WLAN profiles on the phone, which is good, but you
can only have a 2 SIP profiles. One SIP profile is set to be used in
conjunction with the Sinus TC 300 base station and the other 4 WLAN
profiles tie in with another SIP profile. The solution to this is to
change the firmware to one that allows 5 WLAN profiles AND 5 SIP
profiles (one tied into each WALN profile). This firmware can be found
somewhere on the http://www.ip-phone-forum.de site. I can't find the
forum thread which talks about it now, though I did save the page.
Anyone who wants a copy, email me. One of our phones (mine!) has this
firmware and works fine. It's useful as the default is to our home
Asterisk box when I'm at home and to voipstunt when using friends
WLANs. Oh, a word on upgrading the firmware.... do it at YOUR OWN RISK
- I have found that having done this I can no longer access the phone
via PC USB software to downgrade....
These three points are definite limitations, but as I say, for our
particular use, not a problem - particularly when you consider I paid
less than €100 for the three with 2 base stations. The first was a €49
new with a base station and the other 2 cost €50 total thru ebay, one
of which also came with a base station.
It happens that mymail@hotmail.com formulated :
> Wrong again I have found that throughout my life (which has been a
> long one so far) that not trusting companies and suppliers as saved me
> quite a lot of money over the years .
It's not helped you know the difference between has & as
In news:i8ud24lh040c8a67hm1trffce5qppi364f@4ax.com, mymail@hotmail.com <mymail@hotmail.com> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT), voiptalker@gmail.com wrote:
:
:
: >These three points are definite limitations, but as I say, for our
: >particular use, not a problem - particularly when you consider I paid
: >less than ?100 for the three with 2 base stations. The first was a
: >?49 new with a base station and the other 2 cost ?50 total thru
: >ebay, one of which also came with a base station.
:
: From what you have said here these phones have the same problems has a
: UTstarcom in particular battery life , thanks for posting this info my
: cash stays in my bank account not that I would have bought from
: Sipgate anyway sooner buy from suppliers within driving distance .
You could buy one from Sipgate when you go to see them Ron, when was it
again, I'll meet you there.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
news:68mdumFtkicnU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:g04j2u$oir$1@energise.enta.net,
> cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> : > : This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported
> : > : talk time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
> : > :
> : > : http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
> : >
> : > Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
> : > version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
> : >
> : > Ivor
> :
> : <sucks in breath> I'm about to find out, as my my phone's due to be
> : delivered on Wednesday. I've checked the user manual for both
> : 'models' and they're identical. Any significant difference though,
> : and back it trots to Dusseldorf.
> :
> : I'll report back.
>
> Please do, very interested so far.
>
> Ivor
<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:57:13 +0100, Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>It happens that mymail@hotmail.com formulated :
>>> Wrong again I have found that throughout my life (which has been a
>>> long one so far) that not trusting companies and suppliers as saved me
>>> quite a lot of money over the years .
>>
>>It's not helped you know the difference between has & as
> You know I just do not give a damn so get stuffed if you don't like it
> you know what to do and again I just do not give a damn.
Will you please stop morphing you trolling twat?
I'm sick and tired of having to return you to the bozo bin every couple of
weeks.
<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:46:06 +0100, "cybuerke" <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>>I'm far too mean to spend money on phone calls
>
> You sure you are not Ivor ? :))))) .
Not the last time I looked, Ron.
Incidentally, with apologies for veering off topic, and indeed for spoiling
the illusion, didn't I catch you two in another place corresponding very
civilly a couple of weeks back?
"Aah", thought I, "that's nice, they're quite nice people, deep down".
Were I of a more emotional bent, I might even have wiped a tear from my eye.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
news:68p2u6F2sjki9U1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:g07ig3$3176$1@energise.enta.net,
>
> [snip]
>
> : If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over to
> : http://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/ and just leave your sip addy.
>
> Any idea what time of day..? I work shifts and will be in until around 12
> noon or so on Thursday but out after that until very late.
>
> Ivor
As I think your number is a Sipgate one, it'll be before I start hacking the
bejazus out of the configuration doings, so before noon, but out of
consideration for the probable fact that you'll have worked late on
Wednesday, not as early as this!
In news:g08k6l$1r0s$1@energise.enta.net,
cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
: news:68p2u6F2sjki9U1@mid.individual.net...
: > In news:g07ig3$3176$1@energise.enta.net,
: >
: > [snip]
: >
: > : If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over to
: > : http://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/ and just leave your sip
: > : addy.
: >
: > Any idea what time of day..? I work shifts and will be in until
: > around 12 noon or so on Thursday but out after that until very late.
: >
: > Ivor
:
: As I think your number is a Sipgate one, it'll be before I start
: hacking the bejazus out of the configuration doings, so before noon,
: but out of consideration for the probable fact that you'll have
: worked late on Wednesday, not as early as this!
On 11 May, 21:46, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over tohttp://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/*and just leave your sip addy.
Any chance of adding a text field to that form for additional info
like best time to call or other relevant notes?
By the way, form playing with mine here, the only way I see to call a
SIP address like 1111111@sipgate.co.uk is to add an entry to your
contacts and then call it by accessing the addressbook. When you save
an entry to the contacts list be sure to add it to the "phone" (under
the VOIP entry) rather than the SIM card. If you try to add it to the
SIM it won't accept letters and characters like @.
<voiptalker@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 11 May, 21:46, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over
> tohttp://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/ and just leave your sip addy.
**
Any chance of adding a text field to that form for additional info
like best time to call or other relevant notes?
**
Excellent wheeze, but that would infer some kind of organisational method on
my part. Not knowing if the phone will arrive when promised, or indeed
whether some calamity might interfere with my own plans, I'd rather not
commit myself too much.
**
By the way, form playing with mine here, the only way I see to call a
SIP address like 1111111@sipgate.co.uk is to add an entry to your
contacts and then call it by accessing the addressbook. When you save
an entry to the contacts list be sure to add it to the "phone" (under
the VOIP entry) rather than the SIM card. If you try to add it to the
SIM it won't accept letters and characters like @.
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Again, the method will be a handraulic one rather than copy, paste and
click. Even as I type, I'm soaking my right thumb in vinegar.
Pirelli DP-L10 phone. 
Linear Mode
