Roger Barrett wrote:
> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to voip.co.uk
> (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do this?
> Thanks
> Roger.
>
>
I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
Mr Man was thinking very hard :
> Roger Barrett wrote:
>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do this?
>> Thanks
>> Roger.
>>
>>
> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
......& I'm sure Sipgate say they no longer support losing numbers via
the port process.
Jono wrote:
> Mr Man was thinking very hard :
>> Roger Barrett wrote:
>>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do this?
>>> Thanks
>>> Roger.
>>>
>> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
>
> .....& I'm sure Sipgate say they no longer support losing numbers via
> the port process.
They may have an obligation to support it, or else their upstream
provider may.
"Mr Man" <mr_man_newsgroup@ReMoVeThIsToRePlYblueyonder.co.u k> wrote in
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> Roger Barrett wrote:
>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do this?
>> Thanks
>> Roger.
> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
No - they've said they'll try and but cant promise as it depends on the
owner of the number.
I want to do it for the three way calling which sipgate still dont support
and the fact the the call break-up seems a lot less on voip.co.uk than on my
sipgate numbers.
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>
> "Mr Man" <mr_man_newsgroup@ReMoVeThIsToRePlYblueyonder.co.u k> wrote in
> message news:tURXg.132778$PD.73118@fe2.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> Roger Barrett wrote:
>>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do this?
>>> Thanks
>>> Roger.
>> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
> No - they've said they'll try and but cant promise as it depends on the
> owner of the number.
>
> I want to do it for the three way calling which sipgate still dont support
> and the fact the the call break-up seems a lot less on voip.co.uk than on
> my sipgate numbers.
Thus spaketh Jono:
> "Roger Barrett" <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:YS2Yg.28535$pa.1530@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Mr Man" <mr_man_newsgroup@ReMoVeThIsToRePlYblueyonder.co.u k> wrote
>> in message news:tURXg.132778$PD.73118@fe2.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>>> Roger Barrett wrote:
>>>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>>>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do
>>>> this? Thanks
>>>> Roger.
>>> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
>> No - they've said they'll try and but cant promise as it depends on
>> the owner of the number.
>>
>> I want to do it for the three way calling which sipgate still dont
>> support and the fact the the call break-up seems a lot less on
>> voip.co.uk than on my sipgate numbers.
>
> What device are you using?
>
> I can have a three way call using Sipgate.
I also use 3-way calling with Sipgate, also with VoIP Stunt.
On 2006-10-13 20:35:53 +0100, Mr Man
<mr_man_newsgroup@ReMoVeThIsToRePlYblueyonder.co.u k> said:
> Roger Barrett wrote:
>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do this?
>> Thanks
>> Roger.
>>
> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
They certainly support the porting of a BT number over to them as I've done it!
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> Thus spaketh Jono:
>> "Roger Barrett" <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:YS2Yg.28535$pa.1530@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> "Mr Man" <mr_man_newsgroup@ReMoVeThIsToRePlYblueyonder.co.u k> wrote
>>> in message news:tURXg.132778$PD.73118@fe2.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>>>> Roger Barrett wrote:
>>>>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>>>>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do
>>>>> this? Thanks
>>>>> Roger.
>>>> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
>>> No - they've said they'll try and but cant promise as it depends on
>>> the owner of the number.
>>>
>>> I want to do it for the three way calling which sipgate still dont
>>> support and the fact the the call break-up seems a lot less on
>>> voip.co.uk than on my sipgate numbers.
>>
>> What device are you using?
>>
>> I can have a three way call using Sipgate.
>
>
> I also use 3-way calling with Sipgate, also with VoIP Stunt.
>
>
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I've got an SPA1001 and 2000 but sipgate say they dont support "conference"
calling. How are you doing this then?
Thus spaketh Roger Barrett:
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:Hw3Yg.35101$r61.16554@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> Thus spaketh Jono:
>>> "Roger Barrett" <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:YS2Yg.28535$pa.1530@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Mr Man" <mr_man_newsgroup@ReMoVeThIsToRePlYblueyonder.co.u k> wrote
>>>> in message news:tURXg.132778$PD.73118@fe2.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>>>>> Roger Barrett wrote:
>>>>>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>>>>>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do
>>>>>> this? Thanks
>>>>>> Roger.
>>>>> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
>>>> No - they've said they'll try and but cant promise as it depends on
>>>> the owner of the number.
>>>>
>>>> I want to do it for the three way calling which sipgate still dont
>>>> support and the fact the the call break-up seems a lot less on
>>>> voip.co.uk than on my sipgate numbers.
>>>
>>> What device are you using?
>>>
>>> I can have a three way call using Sipgate.
>>
>>
>> I also use 3-way calling with Sipgate, also with VoIP Stunt.
>>
>>
>
> I've got an SPA1001 and 2000 but sipgate say they dont support
> "conference" calling. How are you doing this then?
I just press the recall button on my phone and then dial the other
number and press recall to join the two calls.
>>
>> I've got an SPA1001 and 2000 but sipgate say they dont support
>> "conference" calling. How are you doing this then?
>
> I just press the recall button on my phone and then dial the other number and
> press recall to join the two calls.
"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.73e37d6a98b18849.48968@blueyonder.invalid. ..
> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} formulated on Saturday :
>
>>>
>>> I've got an SPA1001 and 2000 but sipgate say they dont support
>>> "conference" calling. How are you doing this then?
>>
>> I just press the recall button on my phone and then dial the other number
>> and press recall to join the two calls.
>
> Snap.
>
>
Doh - I dont know why I didnt just try it anyway. Seems to work fine. Any
idea why they put
"Unfortunately, we cannot offer telephone conferencing by SIP at the
moment." on the website. Is SIP conferencing something different?
Thanks for the help - now the decision will just be down to which service
gives better call quality. My sipgate lines seem to have been suffering a
lot again lately even on a 10MB line.
"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.73e37d6a98b18849.48968@blueyonder.invalid
> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} formulated on Saturday :
>
> > >
> > > I've got an SPA1001 and 2000 but sipgate say they
> > > dont support "conference" calling. How are you doing
> > > this then?
> >
> > I just press the recall button on my phone and then
> > dial the other number and press recall to join the two
> > calls.
>
> Snap.
That would be rather difficult for me, as recall on my phones is
interpreted by the PABX..!
>> >
>> > I just press the recall button on my phone and then
>> > dial the other number and press recall to join the two
>> > calls.
>>
>> Snap.
>
> That would be rather difficult for me, as recall on my phones is interpreted
> by the PABX..!
That's presumably because your PBX is connected in between your phone &
ATA?
You'd have to work out if a double-hook-flash can be sent.
"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones used his keyboard to write :
>
> > > >
> > > > I just press the recall button on my phone and then
> > > > dial the other number and press recall to join the
> > > > two calls.
> > >
> > > Snap.
> >
> > That would be rather difficult for me, as recall on my
> > phones is interpreted by the PABX..!
>
> That's presumably because your PBX is connected in
> between your phone & ATA?
Yes, all the phones are PABX extensions, the ATA's are connected to
exchange line ports.
> You'd have to work out if a double-hook-flash can be sent.
Roger Barrett wrote:
> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.73e37d6a98b18849.48968@blueyonder.invalid. ..
>> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} formulated on Saturday :
>>
>>>> I've got an SPA1001 and 2000 but sipgate say they dont support
>>>> "conference" calling. How are you doing this then?
>>> I just press the recall button on my phone and then dial the other number
>>> and press recall to join the two calls.
>> Snap.
>>
>>
> Doh - I dont know why I didnt just try it anyway. Seems to work fine. Any
> idea why they put
> "Unfortunately, we cannot offer telephone conferencing by SIP at the
> moment." on the website. Is SIP conferencing something different?
>
> Thanks for the help - now the decision will just be down to which service
> gives better call quality. My sipgate lines seem to have been suffering a
> lot again lately even on a 10MB line.
>
>
Sipgates servers are in germany, Your 10mb connection is not going to be
any better than a 1mb one :)
I think they mean conferences, which you dial into and have generally
more than three people.
"Mr Man"
<mr_man_newsgroup@ReMoVeThIsToRePlYblueyonder.co.u k> wrote
in message
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> Roger Barrett wrote:
[snip]
> Sipgates servers are in germany, Your 10mb connection is
> not going to be any better than a 1mb one :)
AFAIK the servers are only used in the call setup process, they don't pass
the audio through them.
Paul Cupis wrote:
> Jono wrote:
>> Mr Man was thinking very hard :
>>> Roger Barrett wrote:
>>>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>>>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do this?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Roger.
>>>>
>>> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
>> .....& I'm sure Sipgate say they no longer support losing numbers via
>> the port process.
>
> They may have an obligation to support it, or else their upstream
> provider may.
I thought only BT were obliged to allow you to port a number away from them.
Thomas Kenyon wrote:
> Paul Cupis wrote:
>> Jono wrote:
>>> Mr Man was thinking very hard :
>>>> Roger Barrett wrote:
>>>>> Hi I want to port one of my sipgate numbers (magrathea number) to
>>>>> voip.co.uk (Gamma Telecoms number) - has anyone been able to do this?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Roger.
>>>>>
>>>> I think voip.co.uk say they don't 'support' porting?
>>> .....& I'm sure Sipgate say they no longer support losing numbers via
>>> the port process.
>>
>> They may have an obligation to support it, or else their upstream
>> provider may.
>
> I thought only BT were obliged to allow you to port a number away from
> them.
No, Ofcom General condition of entitlement section 18 (Number
Portability applies to "all providers of Electronic Communications
Services or Networks".
>> AFAIK the servers are only used in the call setup process, they don't
>> pass the audio through them.
> AFAIK the servers do pass the audio too :)
I wasn't going to let that pass as I thought, surely that would be crazy,
tromboning the audio streams to Germany and back again. But I did some
packet captures whilst making calls to various PSTN numbers, and it looks
like it's true!
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Porting rules [was Re: Porting Sipgate to Voip.co.uk]
Paul Cupis wrote:
> Thomas Kenyon wrote:
>> I thought only BT were obliged to allow you to port a number away from
>> them.
> No, Ofcom General condition of entitlement section 18 (Number
> Portability applies to "all providers of Electronic Communications
> Services or Networks".
Does Ofcom stipulate that one may only port numbers to/from the same
technology? In other words, why can't I port a landline number to a mobile
and have the option of paying for inbound calls?
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Re: Porting rules [was Re: Porting Sipgate to Voip.co.uk]
alexd wrote:
> Paul Cupis wrote:
>
>> Thomas Kenyon wrote:
>
>>> I thought only BT were obliged to allow you to port a number away from
>>> them.
>
>> No, Ofcom General condition of entitlement section 18 (Number
>> Portability applies to "all providers of Electronic Communications
>> Services or Networks".
>
> Does Ofcom stipulate that one may only port numbers to/from the same
> technology?
I'm not sure, but I am sure you can read the regulations yourself if you
want to find this out, or ask Ofcom directly.
> In other words, why can't I port a landline number to a mobile
> and have the option of paying for inbound calls?
Because no mobile operator offers you this service?
Operators are obliged to port numbers out, they are not obliged to ports
numbers in.
alexd wrote:
> Mr Man wrote:
>
>>> AFAIK the servers are only used in the call setup process, they don't
>>> pass the audio through them.
>
>> AFAIK the servers do pass the audio too :)
>
> I wasn't going to let that pass as I thought, surely that would be crazy,
> tromboning the audio streams to Germany and back again. But I did some
> packet captures whilst making calls to various PSTN numbers, and it looks
> like it's true!
>
Yes, i know.
Not a good idea using a company who's servers are so far away!
hairydog@despammed.com wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:27:13 GMT, Mr Man
> <mr_man_newsgroup@ReMoVeThIsToRePlYblueyonder.co.u k> wrote:
>
>> voip.co.uk don’t include second calls on your account in your
>> discount package.
>
> If you buy a second discount package they do.
Re: Porting rules [was Re: Porting Sipgate to Voip.co.uk]
"alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message news:1940856.m4qmu5EmnV@ale.cx...
> Paul Cupis wrote:
>
>> Thomas Kenyon wrote:
>
>>> I thought only BT were obliged to allow you to port a number away from
>>> them.
>
>> No, Ofcom General condition of entitlement section 18 (Number
>> Portability applies to "all providers of Electronic Communications
>> Services or Networks".
>
> Does Ofcom stipulate that one may only port numbers to/from the same
> technology? In other words, why can't I port a landline number to a mobile
> and have the option of paying for inbound calls?
"Mr Man" <mr_man_newsgroup@ReMoVeThIsToRePlYblueyonder.co.u k> wrote in
message news:mVxYg.151388$PD.62557@fe2.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> alexd wrote:
>> Mr Man wrote:
>>
>>>> AFAIK the servers are only used in the call setup process, they don't
>>>> pass the audio through them.
>>
>>> AFAIK the servers do pass the audio too :)
>>
>> I wasn't going to let that pass as I thought, surely that would be crazy,
>> tromboning the audio streams to Germany and back again. But I did some
>> packet captures whilst making calls to various PSTN numbers, and it looks
>> like it's true!
>>
>
> Yes, i know.
>
> Not a good idea using a company who's servers are so far away!
I've never found it to be a problem, in fact I occasionally use FWD whose
servers are in the US and that's fine too..!
> alexd wrote:
>> Mr Man wrote:
>>
>>>> AFAIK the servers are only used in the call setup process, they don't
>>>> pass the audio through them.
>>
>>> AFAIK the servers do pass the audio too :)
>>
>> I wasn't going to let that pass as I thought, surely that would be crazy,
>> tromboning the audio streams to Germany and back again. But I did some
>> packet captures whilst making calls to various PSTN numbers, and it looks
>> like it's true!
>>
>
> Yes, i know.
>
> Not a good idea using a company who's servers are so far away!
You appear to be missing the point of VoIP here - it doesn't matter where
anyone or anything is, so long as delay and jitter are within acceptable
levels and you've got enough bandwidth. Case in point: My office is 18
hops/70ms and 2.5 miles away. Sipgate's voice gateway is 13 hops/30ms and
it's in Germany. Go figure!
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