Re: [070] Ofcom plans future of UK Telephone Numbering

Paul Cupis wrote:
> Ofcom plans future of UK Telephone Numbering
> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2006/07/nr_20060727
>
> *******
> Ofcom is also taking specific action to prevent scams on 070 personal
> numbers, which are often confused with mobile numbers. Ofcom will end
> 070 personal numbering allocations from the end of 2007, and from early
> 2007 customers will have to get a pre-call announcement of call charges
> for any calls above a certain price.
>
> During 2007 Ofcom will assess demand for genuine personal numbering
> services and may then open replacement 06 numbers for them. This will
> allow 07 numbers to be used only for mobile services, ending any
> potential confusion.
> *******

Well thank you Ofcom! I seriously believed when I took a personal
number, just after they were first introduced, that it was mine for
life. I do not abuse it. Potential customers and my family can reach
me wherever I am. At times my personal number even reaches me on my
mobile in the US.

Why should people like me be punished because others have abused the
system?

S.

Solario wrote:
> Paul Cupis wrote:
>> Ofcom plans future of UK Telephone Numbering
>> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2006/07/nr_20060727
>>
>> *******
>> Ofcom is also taking specific action to prevent scams on 070 personal
>> numbers, which are often confused with mobile numbers. Ofcom will end
>> 070 personal numbering allocations from the end of 2007, and from early
>> 2007 customers will have to get a pre-call announcement of call charges
>> for any calls above a certain price.
>>
>> During 2007 Ofcom will assess demand for genuine personal numbering
>> services and may then open replacement 06 numbers for them. This will
>> allow 07 numbers to be used only for mobile services, ending any
>> potential confusion.
>> *******
>
> Well thank you Ofcom! I seriously believed when I took a personal
> number, just after they were first introduced, that it was mine for
> life. I do not abuse it. Potential customers and my family can reach
> me wherever I am. At times my personal number even reaches me on my
> mobile in the US.
>
> Why should people like me be punished because others have abused the
> system?

I don't think that they will be revoking the existing PNS number, they
say that they will not be issuing any more 070 ranges to operators from
the end of 2007.

After that, PNS call with charges greater than a threshold (to be
defined, maybe 20ppm), will have to have a charge-announcement.

I do not think they are saying that you'll have to surrender your
current 070 number (or that it will be removed by them).

Of course, the PNS number is not really /yours/, but belongs to the
range holder (as assigned by Ofcom).

Paul Cupis wrote:
> Solario wrote:
> > Paul Cupis wrote:
> >> Ofcom plans future of UK Telephone Numbering
> >> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2006/07/nr_20060727
> >>
> >> *******
> >> Ofcom is also taking specific action to prevent scams on 070 personal
> >> numbers, which are often confused with mobile numbers. Ofcom will end
> >> 070 personal numbering allocations from the end of 2007, and from early
> >> 2007 customers will have to get a pre-call announcement of call charges
> >> for any calls above a certain price.
> >>
> >> During 2007 Ofcom will assess demand for genuine personal numbering
> >> services and may then open replacement 06 numbers for them. This will
> >> allow 07 numbers to be used only for mobile services, ending any
> >> potential confusion.
> >> *******
> >
> > Well thank you Ofcom! I seriously believed when I took a personal
> > number, just after they were first introduced, that it was mine for
> > life. I do not abuse it. Potential customers and my family can reach
> > me wherever I am. At times my personal number even reaches me on my
> > mobile in the US.
> >
> > Why should people like me be punished because others have abused the
> > system?
>
> I don't think that they will be revoking the existing PNS number, they
> say that they will not be issuing any more 070 ranges to operators from
> the end of 2007.
>
> After that, PNS call with charges greater than a threshold (to be
> defined, maybe 20ppm), will have to have a charge-announcement.
>
> I do not think they are saying that you'll have to surrender your
> current 070 number (or that it will be removed by them).
>
> Of course, the PNS number is not really /yours/, but belongs to the
> range holder (as assigned by Ofcom).

Thanks Paul,

Digital Mail/Redstone told me that it was mine! :-)

BTW, it is a 07050. Does anyone know where can I locate the current
cost for calling it? I believe it is not especially expensive to call.

S.

Solario explained :
> Paul Cupis wrote:
>> Solario wrote:
>>> Paul Cupis wrote:
>>>> Ofcom plans future of UK Telephone Numbering
>>>> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2006/07/nr_20060727
>>>>
>>>> *******
>>>> Ofcom is also taking specific action to prevent scams on 070 personal
>>>> numbers, which are often confused with mobile numbers. Ofcom will end
>>>> 070 personal numbering allocations from the end of 2007, and from early
>>>> 2007 customers will have to get a pre-call announcement of call charges
>>>> for any calls above a certain price.
>>>>
>>>> During 2007 Ofcom will assess demand for genuine personal numbering
>>>> services and may then open replacement 06 numbers for them. This will
>>>> allow 07 numbers to be used only for mobile services, ending any
>>>> potential confusion.
>>>> *******
>>>
>>> Well thank you Ofcom! I seriously believed when I took a personal
>>> number, just after they were first introduced, that it was mine for
>>> life. I do not abuse it. Potential customers and my family can reach
>>> me wherever I am. At times my personal number even reaches me on my
>>> mobile in the US.
>>>
>>> Why should people like me be punished because others have abused the
>>> system?
>>
>> I don't think that they will be revoking the existing PNS number, they
>> say that they will not be issuing any more 070 ranges to operators from
>> the end of 2007.
>>
>> After that, PNS call with charges greater than a threshold (to be
>> defined, maybe 20ppm), will have to have a charge-announcement.
>>
>> I do not think they are saying that you'll have to surrender your
>> current 070 number (or that it will be removed by them).
>>
>> Of course, the PNS number is not really /yours/, but belongs to the
>> range holder (as assigned by Ofcom).
>
> Thanks Paul,
>
> Digital Mail/Redstone told me that it was mine! :-)
>
> BTW, it is a 07050. Does anyone know where can I locate the current
> cost for calling it? I believe it is not especially expensive to call.
>
> S.

I think you are mistaken
<http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/current/docs/Call_Charges.boo/00161.htm>

07050 is either j or k rate - 31.99p or 37.495, depending on the 6th
digit.

"Solario" <adrian.auerhudson@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154025278.698666.40290@s13g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> BTW, it is a 07050. Does anyone know where can I locate the current
> cost for calling it? I believe it is not especially expensive to call.

Need the next digit. Either a k or j charge band:

http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/c....boo/16311.htm

About 32p or 37.5p per min peak. Cheaper off peak.

http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/c....boo/00161.htm

--
Andy

In message <eab0a3$kh$1@custnews.inweb.co.uk>, Paul Cupis
<paul@cupis.co.uk> writes
>
>I don't think that they will be revoking the existing PNS number, they
>say that they will not be issuing any more 070 ranges to operators from
>the end of 2007.
>
>I do not think they are saying that you'll have to surrender your
>current 070 number (or that it will be removed by them).
>

Erm, what they said was:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
During 2007 Ofcom will assess demand for genuine personal numbering
services and may then open replacement 06 numbers for them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

To me, this means that there is a real possibility that 07 personal
numbers will be replaced by 06 numbers if the demand for genuine 07
personal numbers is not perceived to be high enough.

--
Ian

news wrote:
> In message <eab0a3$kh$1@custnews.inweb.co.uk>, Paul Cupis
> <paul@cupis.co.uk> writes
>>
>> I don't think that they will be revoking the existing PNS number, they
>> say that they will not be issuing any more 070 ranges to operators from
>> the end of 2007.
>>
>> I do not think they are saying that you'll have to surrender your
>> current 070 number (or that it will be removed by them).
>>
>
> Erm, what they said was:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> During 2007 Ofcom will assess demand for genuine personal numbering
> services and may then open replacement 06 numbers for them.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> To me, this means that there is a real possibility that 07 personal
> numbers will be replaced by 06 numbers if the demand for genuine 07
> personal numbers is not perceived to be high enough.

Ah yes, sorry, I was thinking of the shorter term of 2007 (which is when
most of the changes in the document are slated for).

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If 06 is opened then [end of 2007], current 070 services would be
expected to transfer by the end of July 2009, and we would cease to
allocate new 070 personal numbers after 2007. As part of this review
Ofcom will attempt to contact all providers who have been allocated 070
personal numbers.
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