Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Solario" <adrian.auerhudson@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153426779.832303.47410@p79g2000cwp.googlegro ups.com
> > Until now I have used Vonage for my UK VoIP numbers. I
> > have had their US service for several years because they
> > offer signifficant price and facilities advantages over
> > PSTN Telco service.
> >
> > However, comments in this group are leading me to believe
> > this is not the way to go in the UK. By comparrison
> > with,say, (aql) Vonage seem expensive. So, I have some
> > questions to which uk.telecom.voip readers might like to
> > respond.
> >
> > Is there a recomeded ATA, or ATA router that is
> > recomendable. I need at least two telephone ports
> > preferably more. I need at least one Fax and one voice.
> > How easy is it to configure multiple numbers to each
> > port? what number is shown on outgoing caller ID?
> >
> > Last, but not least, has anyone successfully ported
> > number(s) from Vonage.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> The AVM Fritz!Box Fon WLAN7050 has three phone ports and can handle up to
> 10 SIP accounts. It is a combined ADSL modem, wireless router (with QoS)
> and ATA. It can be set to ring any or all phones on any combination of
> incoming numbers and you use a code to select an account (other than the
> ones directly assigned to the phone sockets) to call out on.
>
> More info here: www.avm.de/en
>
> Bear in mind that most UK providers don't support the T.38 fax protocol
> and fax over other codecs is flaky at best. I've done it on G711a but I
> wouldn't guarantee it to work every time.
>
> I don't know about porting numbers, but from what I've read it's probably
> more trouble than it's worth.
>
> Ivor
Thanks Ivor,
The Fritz!Box looks like an excellent option. However, it has occurred
to me that if I pick up an ATA/Router in the US, it will have US
voltages, but be configurable to whatever VoIP accounts I choose to
utilize. Therefore I will be able to plug local kit into it, but set
it up for UK numbers.
Fax is a real pain. It is an old technology that I don't like. But at
times being able to fax documents to attorneys, accountants and clients
has been critical. It amazes me how many people in business still will
not trust e-mail. So, ASAP I will set up an experiment with fax. If I
can't fax with a new provider the way I can with Vonage then I can't
change.
Number porting, I would like to keep my Vonage numbers. (aql) think
they can have them ported. Depending on the fax situation, I may give
it a try. One of the selling points of VoIP is the ability to retain
numbers.
On 21 Jul 2006 09:23:20 -0700, "Solario" <adrian.auerhudson@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Ivor Jones wrote:
>> "Solario" <adrian.auerhudson@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1153426779.832303.47410@p79g2000cwp.googlegro ups.com
>> > Until now I have used Vonage for my UK VoIP numbers. I
>> > have had their US service for several years because they
>> > offer signifficant price and facilities advantages over
>> > PSTN Telco service.
>> >
>> > However, comments in this group are leading me to believe
>> > this is not the way to go in the UK. By comparrison
>> > with,say, (aql) Vonage seem expensive. So, I have some
>> > questions to which uk.telecom.voip readers might like to
>> > respond.
>> >
>> > Is there a recomeded ATA, or ATA router that is
>> > recomendable. I need at least two telephone ports
>> > preferably more. I need at least one Fax and one voice.
>> > How easy is it to configure multiple numbers to each
>> > port? what number is shown on outgoing caller ID?
>> >
>> > Last, but not least, has anyone successfully ported
>> > number(s) from Vonage.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>>
>> The AVM Fritz!Box Fon WLAN7050 has three phone ports and can handle up to
>> 10 SIP accounts. It is a combined ADSL modem, wireless router (with QoS)
>> and ATA. It can be set to ring any or all phones on any combination of
>> incoming numbers and you use a code to select an account (other than the
>> ones directly assigned to the phone sockets) to call out on.
>>
>> More info here: www.avm.de/en
>>
>> Bear in mind that most UK providers don't support the T.38 fax protocol
>> and fax over other codecs is flaky at best. I've done it on G711a but I
>> wouldn't guarantee it to work every time.
>>
>> I don't know about porting numbers, but from what I've read it's probably
>> more trouble than it's worth.
>>
>> Ivor
>
>Thanks Ivor,
>
>The Fritz!Box looks like an excellent option. However, it has occurred
>to me that if I pick up an ATA/Router in the US, it will have US
>voltages, but be configurable to whatever VoIP accounts I choose to
>utilize. Therefore I will be able to plug local kit into it, but set
>it up for UK numbers.
>
>Fax is a real pain. It is an old technology that I don't like. But at
>times being able to fax documents to attorneys, accountants and clients
>has been critical. It amazes me how many people in business still will
>not trust e-mail. So, ASAP I will set up an experiment with fax. If I
>can't fax with a new provider the way I can with Vonage then I can't
>change.
>
>Number porting, I would like to keep my Vonage numbers. (aql) think
>they can have them ported. Depending on the fax situation, I may give
>it a try. One of the selling points of VoIP is the ability to retain
>numbers.
>
>Thanks again
>
>S.
I use a Sipura/Linksys SPA-3000 even though I don't have a PSTN line.
It has provision for 5 outgoing VOIP providers.
Alternatively, there is the linksys PAP2 (avoid Vonage locked ones) -
you can use it together with voxalot.com and get multiple outgoing
providers. If you want two incoming lines on the same handset go for
Linksys/Sipura 1001. I'd generally check out the Linksys/Sipura range.
The prices in the US are much better than here in most cases.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> I use a Sipura/Linksys SPA-3000 even though I don't have
> a PSTN line. It has provision for 5 outgoing VOIP
> providers.
> Alternatively, there is the linksys PAP2 (avoid Vonage
> locked ones) - you can use it together with voxalot.com
> and get multiple outgoing providers. If you want two
> incoming lines on the same handset go for Linksys/Sipura
> 1001. I'd generally check out the Linksys/Sipura range.
> The prices in the US are much better than here in most
> cases.
The SPA-1001 is a good device, I have one I use when I'm travelling, if I
know there will be broadband available where I'm going, but it is a pure
ATA, so the OP would still need a router, and wouldn't get QoS. You also
can't have two simultaneous calls. Where the Fritz!Box range scores in my
view is its ability to have either or both phones ringing on any or all
lines, plus you also have a PSTN port which can be used for calls you
don't want to route over VoIP, such as 0870 numbers which are sometimes
more expensive to call over VoIP,or those you can't, such as emergency
services.
>
> The Fritz!Box with UK purchased telephones is a definite contender. It
> is important that the kit on my UK numbered lines is recognisably
> different from that on my US numbered lines simply because of the
> different dialing requirements.
Surely you'd be better off designing a dialplan that allows you to dial
the way you need, rather than needing double the equipment?
Jono wrote:
> Solario laid this down on his screen :
>
> >
> > The Fritz!Box with UK purchased telephones is a definite contender. It
> > is important that the kit on my UK numbered lines is recognisably
> > different from that on my US numbered lines simply because of the
> > different dialing requirements.
>
> Surely you'd be better off designing a dialplan that allows you to dial
> the way you need, rather than needing double the equipment?
This is more food for thought. Would it be possible for someone to
explain 'dialplan' please? I assume it means that I would be able to
make calls using a consistent set of rues that would be converted for
the requirements of the line selected.
Is this software? Does it happen inside my ATA? Or, does it happen on
my VoIP provider's kit? How does one program the plan(s)? Is the
programming done thru my browser perhaps?
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:19:32 GMT, "Jono"
<jono@NoThanksNeverBlueYonder.com> wrote:
>
>"Solario" <adrian.auerhudson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Jono wrote:
>>> Solario laid this down on his screen :
>>>
>>> >
>>> > The Fritz!Box with UK purchased telephones is a definite contender. It
>>> > is important that the kit on my UK numbered lines is recognisably
>>> > different from that on my US numbered lines simply because of the
>>> > different dialing requirements.
>>>
>>> Surely you'd be better off designing a dialplan that allows you to dial
>>> the way you need, rather than needing double the equipment?
>>
>> This is more food for thought. Would it be possible for someone to
>> explain 'dialplan' please? I assume it means that I would be able to
>> make calls using a consistent set of rues that would be converted for
>> the requirements of the line selected.
>>
>> Is this software? Does it happen inside my ATA? Or, does it happen on
>> my VoIP provider's kit? How does one program the plan(s)? Is the
>> programming done thru my browser perhaps?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> S.
>>
>
>It would be programmed into your ATAs - a dialplan is a set of rules that
>tells the ATA to add digits to the beginning of a number, or discard digits
>in a number, or for that matter completely discard a dialled number &
>substitute it with an entirely different one.
>
>Plenty of advice around. This is an interesting discussion
>http://voxilla.com/index.php?name=PN...2a85c345aa45af .
>Don't get too bogged down with it, or put off by the 24 pages of posts - so
>long as you know what you want to dial & what your provider /needs/ you to
>dial, someone here (or there) will help you construct it.
>
Dial plan examples and explanation: www.leafcom.co.uk
After serious thinking Brian A wrote :
> Dial plan examples and explanation:
> www.leafcom.co.uk
Category Blocked
The site you tried to visit belongs to a category that this computer is
set to block. http://www.xs4skin.com/leafcom/index.php is blocked because it is
currently categorized as Pornography.
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:19:56 +0100, Jono
<nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk> wrote:
>After serious thinking Brian A wrote :
>> Dial plan examples and explanation:
>> www.leafcom.co.uk
>
>Category Blocked
>The site you tried to visit belongs to a category that this computer is
>set to block.
>http://www.xs4skin.com/leafcom/index.php is blocked because it is
>currently categorized as Pornography.
>
>?
Did you type in www.leafcom.co.uk
??
I know the person who runs this site. He allows me space on it, for
testing out my php programs on the net, as Telewest doesn't allow PHP
with my package. I did tell TW that web space that was restricted to
html was as useful to me as a chocolate teapot but, as I expected, it
didn't do any good, so I take what I can get for free.
You must be on some sort of public/corporate computer where some
sites are censored.
It is quite right that it is a porn site but the content is nothing
whatsoever to do with me.
I have never had any trouble launching the leafcom site nor has anyone
else reported problems.
Brian A explained :
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:19:56 +0100, Jono
> <nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> After serious thinking Brian A wrote :
>>> Dial plan examples and explanation:
>>> www.leafcom.co.uk
>>
>> Category Blocked
>> The site you tried to visit belongs to a category that this computer is
>> set to block.
>> http://www.xs4skin.com/leafcom/index.php is blocked because it is
>> currently categorized as Pornography.
>>
>> ?
> Did you type in www.leafcom.co.uk
> ??
> I know the person who runs this site. He allows me space on it, for
> testing out my php programs on the net, as Telewest doesn't allow PHP
> with my package. I did tell TW that web space that was restricted to
> html was as useful to me as a chocolate teapot but, as I expected, it
> didn't do any good, so I take what I can get for free.
>
> You must be on some sort of public/corporate computer where some
> sites are censored.
> It is quite right that it is a porn site but the content is nothing
> whatsoever to do with me.
> I have never had any trouble launching the leafcom site nor has anyone
> else reported problems.
>
>
> Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
Hi Brian,
using "Blue Coat K9 Web Protection" entering www.leafcom.co.uk gives
the porn warning.
No probs I'll put my admin password in & have a good look around ;-)
Jono presented the following explanation :
> Brian A explained :
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:19:56 +0100, Jono
>> <nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> After serious thinking Brian A wrote :
>>>> Dial plan examples and explanation:
>>>> www.leafcom.co.uk
>>>
>>> Category Blocked
>>> The site you tried to visit belongs to a category that this computer is
>>> set to block.
>>> http://www.xs4skin.com/leafcom/index.php is blocked because it is
>>> currently categorized as Pornography.
>>>
>>> ?
>> Did you type in www.leafcom.co.uk
>> ??
>> I know the person who runs this site. He allows me space on it, for
>> testing out my php programs on the net, as Telewest doesn't allow PHP
>> with my package. I did tell TW that web space that was restricted to
>> html was as useful to me as a chocolate teapot but, as I expected, it
>> didn't do any good, so I take what I can get for free.
>>
>> You must be on some sort of public/corporate computer where some
>> sites are censored.
>> It is quite right that it is a porn site but the content is nothing
>> whatsoever to do with me. I have never had any trouble launching the
>> leafcom site nor has anyone
>> else reported problems.
>>
>>
>> Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> using "Blue Coat K9 Web Protection" entering www.leafcom.co.uk gives the porn
> warning.
>
> No probs I'll put my admin password in & have a good look around ;-)
Well, I've left some sites hurriedly before as well. :-(
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:16:18 +0100, Jono
<nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk> wrote:
>Jono presented the following explanation :
>> Brian A explained :
>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:19:56 +0100, Jono
>>> <nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> After serious thinking Brian A wrote :
>>>>> Dial plan examples and explanation:
>>>>> www.leafcom.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> Category Blocked
>>>> The site you tried to visit belongs to a category that this computer is
>>>> set to block.
>>>> http://www.xs4skin.com/leafcom/index.php is blocked because it is
>>>> currently categorized as Pornography.
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>> Did you type in www.leafcom.co.uk
>>> ??
>>> I know the person who runs this site. He allows me space on it, for
>>> testing out my php programs on the net, as Telewest doesn't allow PHP
>>> with my package. I did tell TW that web space that was restricted to
>>> html was as useful to me as a chocolate teapot but, as I expected, it
>>> didn't do any good, so I take what I can get for free.
>>>
>>> You must be on some sort of public/corporate computer where some
>>> sites are censored.
>>> It is quite right that it is a porn site but the content is nothing
>>> whatsoever to do with me. I have never had any trouble launching the
>>> leafcom site nor has anyone
>>> else reported problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> using "Blue Coat K9 Web Protection" entering www.leafcom.co.uk gives the porn
>> warning.
>>
>> No probs I'll put my admin password in & have a good look around ;-)
>
>Well, I've left some sites hurriedly before as well. :-(
>
Well, yes, I can understand why :-) !!
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