Tim Bray wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know a lot of people have been waiting for these.
>
> The Siemens C475IP phone is now in the UK and should be available from
> all the usual places.
>
> Like a C460IP, but has a new shaped handset, 2 calls through the base,
> 6 SIP accounts and a digital answering machine
>
> Tim Bray
How is different from the 675?
Ian Pawson wrote:
> Tim Bray wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know a lot of people have been waiting for these.
>>
>> The Siemens C475IP phone is now in the UK and should be available from
>> all the usual places.
>>
>> Like a C460IP, but has a new shaped handset, 2 calls through the base,
>> 6 SIP accounts and a digital answering machine
>>
>> Tim Bray
> How is different from the 675?
It also seems to be cheaper than the s450 ip and offer the recorder. So
is there a catch?
Tim Bray wrote:
> Ian Pawson wrote:
>> How is different from the 675?
>
>
> Only different between a C475IP and a S675IP is that the S675IP has hi
> def audio.
>
> But, the S675IP phone is not going to planned for UK launch. Instead
> there will be the S685IP phone, which also has bluetooth in the handset.
>
> They are coming in, but a couple of months away.
>
> Tim
Thanks for the info - ordered a C475IP today.
Tim Bray schreef:
> Ian Pawson wrote:
>> How is different from the 675?
>
>
> Only different between a C475IP and a S675IP is that the S675IP has hi
> def audio.
>
> But, the S675IP phone is not going to planned for UK launch. Instead
> there will be the S685IP phone, which also has bluetooth in the handset.
>
> They are coming in, but a couple of months away.
>
> Tim
My question: is BlueTooth such a great addition ? the handset (DECT) is
wireless, adding a wireless headset makes things more complicated, is my
guess, and BlueTooth is also a security risk, (DECT is more secure) does
BlueTooth connects to the base, or to the handset ?
TheFug wrote:
> My question: is BlueTooth such a great addition ? the handset (DECT) is
> wireless, adding a wireless headset makes things more complicated, is my
> guess, and BlueTooth is also a security risk, (DECT is more secure) does
> BlueTooth connects to the base, or to the handset ?
Dect from base to handset.
Bluetooth from handset to headset.
Also you can mobile phone contact sync and upload wallpapers. Not
tested this yet though.
D'apres TheFug <nosp@mplea.ze>, dans le forum uk.telecom.voip...
> My question: is BlueTooth such a great addition ? the handset (DECT) is
> wireless, adding a wireless headset makes things more complicated,
You can find small wireless earpieces with Bluetooth, not DECT.
Also, the base can connect to your GSM phone, so that you receive you
GSM calls on the base or any DECT handset. Can be usefull if you have
several handsets spreaded in various romms of the house.
I don't know if you can also make GSM calls from the base or handsets,
so it could be a cheaper way to call to mobiles phone.
Note that you have to choose what you want to do with the Bluetooth
interface : connect the base to an earpiece, OR connect the base to a
GSM phone. You cannot do both.
Note : this is based on my experience with a SX353isdn(*). The C475ip
seems similar but I cannot be 100% sure.
Marc Zirnheld schreef:
> D'apres TheFug <nosp@mplea.ze>, dans le forum uk.telecom.voip...
>
>> My question: is BlueTooth such a great addition ? the handset (DECT) is
>> wireless, adding a wireless headset makes things more complicated,
>
> You can find small wireless earpieces with Bluetooth, not DECT.
>
> Also, the base can connect to your GSM phone, so that you receive you
> GSM calls on the base or any DECT handset. Can be usefull if you have
> several handsets spreaded in various romms of the house.
>
> I don't know if you can also make GSM calls from the base or handsets,
> so it could be a cheaper way to call to mobiles phone.
>
> Note that you have to choose what you want to do with the Bluetooth
> interface : connect the base to an earpiece, OR connect the base to a
> GSM phone. You cannot do both.
>
> Note : this is based on my experience with a SX353isdn(*). The C475ip
> seems similar but I cannot be 100% sure.
>
>
I guess these extra functions you mention, can be usefull to use that
way, and security is also kept ? (i guess DECT is safer as a wireless
connection)
D'apres TheFug <nosp@mplea.ze>, dans le forum uk.telecom.voip...
> I guess these extra functions you mention, can be usefull to use that
> way, and security is also kept ? (i guess DECT is safer as a wireless
> connection)
No idea, frankly I don't have a clue about security issues with wireless
phones.
BTW, another problem I noticed : when you receive a GSM call, the
calling party number is in the international format: +33xxxxxxxx for
example. That string is forwarded to the DECT base but there is nothing
to handle the + or replace the +33, so the resulting number is
33xxxxxxxxx which obviously is not a dialable number :(
Martin² wrote:
>> Thanks for the info - ordered a C475IP today.
>
> Who is the best / cheapest place to buy them ?
> Thanks, regards,
> Martin
>
>
Got mine from DST (UK) via Amazon, not the cheapest, but they had stock
and I had an Amazon voucher.
Phone has now arrived and I am pleased with it. I do like the ability to
download/edit/upload the phone directory. Much easier to type on a keyboard.
Ian Pawson wrote:
> Martin² wrote:
>>> Thanks for the info - ordered a C475IP today.
>> Who is the best / cheapest place to buy them ?
>> Thanks, regards,
>> Martin
>>
>>
> Got mine from DST (UK) via Amazon, not the cheapest, but they had stock
> and I had an Amazon voucher.
> Phone has now arrived and I am pleased with it. I do like the ability to
> download/edit/upload the phone directory. Much easier to type on a keyboard.
Please keep us (me) updated on what the call quality, echo, cut-outs are
like.
Nick wrote:
> Ian Pawson wrote:
>> Martin² wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the info - ordered a C475IP today.
>>> Who is the best / cheapest place to buy them ?
>>> Thanks, regards,
>>> Martin
>>>
>> Got mine from DST (UK) via Amazon, not the cheapest, but they had stock
>> and I had an Amazon voucher.
>> Phone has now arrived and I am pleased with it. I do like the ability to
>> download/edit/upload the phone directory. Much easier to type on a
>> keyboard.
>
> Please keep us (me) updated on what the call quality, echo, cut-outs are
> like.
No echo noticeable. So far, unable to tell any difference between fixed
and voip calls. Audio quality is fine, however, like most modern DECT
phone there is no side tone which takes some getting used to. Managed to
register my 2 existing handsets with the base station without any problems.
> No echo noticeable. So far, unable to tell any difference between fixed
> and voip calls. Audio quality is fine, however, like most modern DECT
> phone there is no side tone which takes some getting used to. Managed to
> register my 2 existing handsets with the base station without any problems.
I can confirm, bought mine (4 handsets) on monday from liGo, waited
for 3 weeks, but kept me up to date throughout. Really surprised about
the good quality at that price.. Was thinking to maybe go for the
S685IP (with bluetooth), but I think the C475IP does the job just
fine.
> No echo noticeable. So far, unable to tell any difference between fixed
> and voip calls. Audio quality is fine, however, like most modern DECT
> phone there is no side tone which takes some getting used to. Managed to
> register my 2 existing handsets with the base station without any problems.
I can confirm, bought mine (4 handsets) on monday from liGo, waited
for 3 weeks, but kept me up to date throughout. Really surprised about
the good quality at that price.. Was thinking to maybe go for the
S685IP (with bluetooth), but I think the C475IP does the job just
fine.
I just got the S685IP from Hip-IP last week, they arrived day after
the order. The bluetooth is a great extra, I can walk around the
office with my bluetooth headset in. I am not sure about the HDSP as
yet, do not think i have used the phone enought to notice a
difference. Generally though it seems to be a good piece of kit, i am
going to get some additional handsets now.
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unexplained reason:
: On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:46:57 -0700 (PDT), sales@emergatech.co.uk
: wrote:
:
: >I just got the S685IP from Hip-IP last week, they arrived day after
: >the order. The bluetooth is a great extra, I can walk around the
: >office with my bluetooth headset in. I am not sure about the HDSP as
: >yet, do not think i have used the phone enought to notice a
: >difference. Generally though it seems to be a good piece of kit, i am
: >going to get some additional handsets now.
:
: Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear more spam Ivor will not be very pleased to see
: more of it in HIS group .
The only thing I'm not pleased about seeing right now Ron is YOU.
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unexplained reason:
: On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:13:21 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
: >In news:0gj81459apo5nt28tmv88efvhk5d8m36g6@4ax.com,
: >mymail@hotmail.co.uk <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> typed, for some strange,
: >unexplained reason:
: >: On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:46:57 -0700 (PDT), sales@emergatech.co.uk
: >: wrote:
: >:
: >: >I just got the S685IP from Hip-IP last week, they arrived day
: >: >after the order. The bluetooth is a great extra, I can walk
: >: >around the office with my bluetooth headset in. I am not sure
: >: >about the HDSP as yet, do not think i have used the phone enought
: >: >to notice a difference. Generally though it seems to be a good
: >: >piece of kit, i am going to get some additional handsets now.
: >:
: >: Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear more spam Ivor will not be very pleased to
: >: see more of it in HIS group .
: >
: >The only thing I'm not pleased about seeing right now Ron is YOU.
: >
: >Ivor
: The feeling is mutual FUCK OFF
sales@emergatech.co.uk wrote:
> I just got the S685IP from Hip-IP last week, they arrived day after
> the order. The bluetooth is a great extra, I can walk around the
> office with my bluetooth headset in. I am not sure about the HDSP as
> yet, do not think i have used the phone enought to notice a
> difference. Generally though it seems to be a good piece of kit, i am
> going to get some additional handsets now.
>
> http://www.hip-ip.com/product/voip-p...-ip-dect-phone
>
>
At least change computers if you are going to promote your own webshop
and pretend to be a customer.
In article <o7CdncztAoPI54vVnZ2dnUVZ8saonZ2d@plusnet>,
Martin² <never@give.one> wrote:
>Does this phone (or the C460IP) work well (i.e. no dropouts in conversation)
>with routers without QoS ?
Even if your router has QoS, you're still at the mercy of the "global
Internet".
This is the biggest single challenge I have dealing with SMEs - get them
to get a decent business quality ISP and the rest is easy. (Or better
still, a separate business quality ISP just for VoIP)
Although the home user might be willing to put up with a slghtly lesser
quality (for cheaper calls!) than a business user, so it's horses for
courses..
My own experiences of the C460IP has been good[1] - One site I setup has
3 remote shops on home quality broadband, and HQ on a good business
broadband (with a QoS router) and they're working adequately, but I've
set the codec to the remote phones to be G726.
Gordon
[1] Except that they need regular rebooting in a busy environment and if
anyone recalls, I was going to do that with cheap plug-in timers, which I
did and they're all working perfectly now - 3 in HQ and 3 remote.
Thanks Gordon.
I have found that setting the up the QoS on my Draytek 2600VG router made
significant difference to my VoIP calls,
but then there are two other users unpredictably using the BB.
Now, because persistent problems on the line, we have switched to 2WIRE
(BT1801HG) router which can cope with the dodgy line and has better (400mW
?) wireless performance, but no VoIP or QoS.
I have acquired a Senao WiFi phone, but it doesn't work very well (see other
post).
I am thus tempted by the Siemens, but worried about call quality.
Regards,
Martin
In article <3eSdnXUiGfgUJYrVnZ2dnUVZ8qOknZ2d@plusnet>,
Martin² <never@give.one> wrote:
>Thanks Gordon.
>I have found that setting the up the QoS on my Draytek 2600VG router made
>significant difference to my VoIP calls,
I've used 2600's in the past with good results. However they seem to have
bugs with NAT handling. Not sure if I've found a good replacement for
them yet though - currently looking at Zyxels...
>but then there are two other users unpredictably using the BB.
The QoS (traffic shaping) will help with uploads, but not do much for
downloads.
>Now, because persistent problems on the line, we have switched to 2WIRE
>(BT1801HG) router which can cope with the dodgy line and has better (400mW
>?) wireless performance, but no VoIP or QoS.
You could put a 2nd router (one with 2 ethernet interfaces) after the
2wire router, but it them becomes messy..
>I have acquired a Senao WiFi phone, but it doesn't work very well (see other
>post).
>I am thus tempted by the Siemens, but worried about call quality.
I'm not a fan of Wi-Fi phones, but saying that, I have a nokia E90 and
it's been working very well - however my desk is only a few metres away
from the base station and the Wi-Fi network is very lightly loaded.
The coverage from the Siemens units has been very good - especially if
you mount their base stations on a suitable wall.
Martin² wrote:
> Thanks Gordon.
> I have found that setting the up the QoS on my Draytek 2600VG router made
> significant difference to my VoIP calls,
> but then there are two other users unpredictably using the BB.
> Now, because persistent problems on the line, we have switched to 2WIRE
> (BT1801HG) router which can cope with the dodgy line and has better (400mW
> ?) wireless performance, but no VoIP or QoS.
> I have acquired a Senao WiFi phone, but it doesn't work very well (see other
> post).
> I am thus tempted by the Siemens, but worried about call quality.
> Regards,
> Martin
>
>
So far, very pleased with the voice quality
Siemens C475IP 
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