PhilÅ wrote:
> Ok, for £6 PCM 1000 mins.
>
> So, I hate paying BT, I never use the damm phone for incoming or outgoing.
>
> So, should I take up this deal and get rid of the phone.
>
> Basically my daughter is the only one who uses it for her friends etc..
>
>
>
Sounds good except that minimum top-up is £10 and then the £6 is
deducted from your balance, they don't refund usused credit so in effect
it's £10PCM, which strangely enough is what Vonage charge for unlimited
calls. Look at them and also www.voipfone.co.uk before making a decision.
"Anon Y Mous" <..@..> wrote in message
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> PhilÅ wrote:
> > Ok, for £6 PCM 1000 mins.
> >
> > So, I hate paying BT, I never use the damm phone for
> > incoming or outgoing. So, should I take up this deal and get rid of
> > the phone.
> >
> > Basically my daughter is the only one who uses it for
> > her friends etc..
> Sounds good except that minimum top-up is £10 and then
> the £6 is deducted from your balance, they don't refund
> usused credit so in effect it's £10PCM, which strangely
> enough is what Vonage charge for unlimited calls. Look at
> them and also www.voipfone.co.uk before making a
> decision.
Not quite. Yes you have to topup by £10 the first time you put credit on
your account, but if you go for the 1000 minutes option you only get
charged £5.90 per month after that. If you decide to stop using this
option the remaining credit can be used at the normal PAYG rates so yes
you're £4.10 in credit over the amount you need to be, but that cash is
not inaccessible it can be used for calls once you come off the 1000
option.
The 1000 option is really only of value if you can guarantee to make
enough calls for it to be worthwhile, otherwise it's better to stay on the
normal PAYG tariff.
Don't get rid of the landline altogether, Sipgate as with most VoIP
services is really designed as an extra line not a replacement one. Unless
you have cable you'll still need a BT line anyway.
"PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, for £6 PCM 1000 mins.
>
> So, I hate paying BT, I never use the damm phone for incoming or outgoing.
>
> So, should I take up this deal and get rid of the phone.
>
> Basically my daughter is the only one who uses it for her friends etc..
>
>
The 1000 mins ONLY cover landline calls all other calls are charged at
sipgates normal rates and billed by the minute not second as per other
suppliers (And how Sipgate are billed by their suppliers). Their mobile rate
is nearly 15ppm so beware.
"Anon Y Mous" <..@..> wrote in message
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> PhilÅ wrote:
>> Ok, for £6 PCM 1000 mins.
>>
>> So, I hate paying BT, I never use the damm phone for incoming or
>> outgoing.
>>
>> So, should I take up this deal and get rid of the phone.
>>
>> Basically my daughter is the only one who uses it for her friends etc..
>>
>>
>>
> Sounds good except that minimum top-up is £10 and then the £6 is deducted
> from your balance, they don't refund usused credit so in effect it's
> £10PCM, which strangely enough is what Vonage charge for unlimited calls.
> Look at them and also www.voipfone.co.uk before making a decision.
Just having a look at voipfone.
Interesting thing is that for £1 I can have 100 SMS txts, which is great.
No I think from a quick read it is on the PC, but is there a fancy handset,
pref hands free that can send sms's??
"Anon Y Mous" <..@..> wrote in message
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> PhilÅ wrote:
>> Ok, for £6 PCM 1000 mins.
>>
>> So, I hate paying BT, I never use the damm phone for incoming or
>> outgoing.
>>
>> So, should I take up this deal and get rid of the phone.
>>
>> Basically my daughter is the only one who uses it for her friends etc..
>>
>>
>>
> Sounds good except that minimum top-up is £10 and then the £6 is deducted
> from your balance, they don't refund usused credit so in effect it's
> £10PCM, which strangely enough is what Vonage charge for unlimited calls.
> Look at them and also www.voipfone.co.uk before making a decision.
I don't understand it being £10 PCM, if I credit my account with £20, than
that will last at least 3 months??
"PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Anon Y Mous" <..@..> wrote in message
> news:43232683$0$22927$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
[snip]
> > Sounds good except that minimum top-up is £10 and then
> > the £6 is deducted from your balance, they don't refund
> > usused credit so in effect it's £10PCM, which strangely
> > enough is what Vonage charge for unlimited calls. Look
> > at them and also www.voipfone.co.uk before making a
> > decision.
>
> I don't understand it being £10 PCM, if I credit my
> account with £20, than that will last at least 3 months??
Correct. Although it is still only of value if you will use all the time
as the minutes don't roll over. Also it is only to geographic landline
numbers not 0870 or mobiles.
>
> The 1000 option is really only of value if you can guarantee to make
> enough calls for it to be worthwhile, otherwise it's better to stay on the
> normal PAYG tariff.
>
> Don't get rid of the landline altogether, Sipgate as with most VoIP
> services is really designed as an extra line not a replacement one. Unless
> you have cable you'll still need a BT line anyway.
>
> Ivor
>
>
Hi Ivor
I currently have 2 incomming BT lines.
One is on a In Contact tarrif, well hidden within BT. Cost £3 PCM. Incomming
calls only, no 1471 or any features.
I would keep this as this is what people call me on.
The other line I am paying the standard £10.50, with CPS calls with onetel.
I would get rid of this line... And why the hell not??
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4oIUe.14252$VB1.12562@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net
>> "Anon Y Mous" <..@..> wrote in message
>> news:43232683$0$22927$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>
> [snip]
>
>> > Sounds good except that minimum top-up is £10 and then
>> > the £6 is deducted from your balance, they don't refund
>> > usused credit so in effect it's £10PCM, which strangely
>> > enough is what Vonage charge for unlimited calls. Look
>> > at them and also www.voipfone.co.uk before making a
>> > decision.
>>
>> I don't understand it being £10 PCM, if I credit my
>> account with £20, than that will last at least 3 months??
>
> Correct. Although it is still only of value if you will use all the time
> as the minutes don't roll over. Also it is only to geographic landline
> numbers not 0870 or mobiles.
>
Hmmm, sipgate 1.2p landlines, she chats to local friends of a night.. I have
asked my daughter to ask her friends to get a sipgate account, but they
haven't got a clue... shame...
"PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Ivor
>
> I currently have 2 incomming BT lines.
>
> One is on a In Contact tarrif, well hidden within BT.
> Cost £3 PCM. Incomming calls only, no 1471 or any
> features. I would keep this as this is what people call me on.
I use mine for a fax number as FoIP (Fax over IP) is still rather
problematic and Sipgate doesn't yet support the T38 protocol. But
certainly if you have 2 lines get rid of one of them.
> The other line I am paying the standard £10.50, with CPS
> calls with onetel. I would get rid of this line... And
> why the hell not??
None at all, see above..!
>
> I am only cable for the BB.
What speed/tariff are you on..? You may be better off with ADSL on the
remaining BT line, although it may not be available on the tariff you
have..!
> Will checkout sipgates standard tarrif, me thinks
It's basically 1.19p per minute (billed per minute) for all geo numbers,
the rates for 0845/0870 and mobiles are rather high, you'll almost
certainly be better off using the BT line for these. Check out the tariffs
here https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/tarife.php. However there is no
monthly fee.
"PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> Hmmm, sipgate 1.2p landlines, she chats to local friends
> of a night.. I have asked my daughter to ask her friends
> to get a sipgate account, but they haven't got a clue...
> shame...
Indeed, or any other VoIP provider that Sipgate peer with. Most of the
people I call on Sipgate are also users, I put £20 on one of my lines (it
was the minimum amount at the time) almost a year ago and I've used around
£4..!
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
|| On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:43:57 GMT, "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com>
|| wrote:
||
||
||| One is on a In Contact tarrif, well hidden within BT. Cost £3 PCM.
||| Incomming calls only, no 1471 or any features.
|| If it is well hidden how did you find it ? I would like to know more
|| about this .
I thought he meant the fact he had the line was well hidden - BT's In
Contact service prohibits any other phone lines to the house, including
mobiles.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:43:57 GMT, "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>One is on a In Contact tarrif, well hidden within BT. Cost £3 PCM.
>>Incomming
>>calls only, no 1471 or any features.
> If it is well hidden how did you find it ? I would like to know more
> about this .
"Jono" <no@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> || On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:43:57 GMT, "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com>
> || wrote:
> ||
> ||
> ||| One is on a In Contact tarrif, well hidden within BT. Cost £3 PCM.
> ||| Incomming calls only, no 1471 or any features.
> || If it is well hidden how did you find it ? I would like to know more
> || about this .
>
> I thought he meant the fact he had the line was well hidden - BT's In
> Contact service prohibits any other phone lines to the house, including
> mobiles.
>
I moved into a house three years ago which was flats, converted, but BT
still has it down as flat 1 flat 2 etc...
You are right, I am not supposed to have the service as I already have a
other line available.
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
|| On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:26:28 GMT, "Jono" <no@nospamblueyonder.co.uk>
|| wrote:
||| I thought he meant the fact he had the line was well hidden - BT's
||| In Contact service prohibits any other phone lines to the house,
||| including mobiles.
|| So how are they going to know if you have a mobile ? .
I didn't say they'd know. Eligibility of the scheme states that it is not
available if you have any other telephone supplier. It relys on honesty.
The amusing thing is, you'd expect them to know that they are the supplier
of at least one of the other telephone services the OP receives.
PhilÅ wrote:
|| "Jono" <no@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
|| news:o4JUe.106363$G8.24389@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
|||
|||
||| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
||||| On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:43:57 GMT, "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com>
||||| wrote:
|||||
|||||
|||||| One is on a In Contact tarrif, well hidden within BT. Cost £3
|||||| PCM. Incomming calls only, no 1471 or any features.
||||| If it is well hidden how did you find it ? I would like to know
||||| more about this .
|||
||| I thought he meant the fact he had the line was well hidden - BT's
||| In Contact service prohibits any other phone lines to the house,
||| including mobiles.
|||
||
|| I moved into a house three years ago which was flats, converted, but
|| BT still has it down as flat 1 flat 2 etc...
||
|| You are right, I am not supposed to have the service as I already
|| have a other line available.
||
|| Also have a mobile.
||
|| Have had my incontact line for 6 years now.
You'll not be the only one. Customer Services could (might still be able to)
create sub-properties very easily, so long as the main address didn't owe
any money.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:13:25 GMT, "SK"
> <donteventry@spammingme.ie> wrote:
>
> > sipgate are rubbish
> >
> Please tell us something that we don't know .
Ok, here is something you don't know - you are wasting your time on here.
Nobody is taking you or Stefan seriously any more.
You obviously *don't* know this, as you are still here.
PhilÅ wrote:
|| "Jono" <no@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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|||
|||
||| Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
||||| On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:43:57 GMT, "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com>
||||| wrote:
|||||
|||||
|||||| One is on a In Contact tarrif, well hidden within BT. Cost £3
|||||| PCM. Incomming calls only, no 1471 or any features.
||||| If it is well hidden how did you find it ? I would like to know
||||| more about this .
|||
||| I thought he meant the fact he had the line was well hidden - BT's
||| In Contact service prohibits any other phone lines to the house,
||| including mobiles.
|||
||
|| I moved into a house three years ago which was flats, converted, but
|| BT still has it down as flat 1 flat 2 etc...
||
|| You are right, I am not supposed to have the service as I already
|| have a other line available.
||
|| Also have a mobile.
||
|| Have had my incontact line for 6 years now.
Interestingly, Ofcom's exclusions differ from my recollection:
How do they decide who is eligible for these schemes?
17. LUS is available to BT customers whose quarterly call bill is less than
£10.58. BT contacts customers who might be eligible.
InContact and Kingston's schemes are available to all customers on
application. Customers who use Indirect Access or Carrier Pre-Selection or
who make regular use of mobiles are not eligible for these schemes.
and peopl take a bus driver seriously, eyevor dont think for one minute
people , a lot of them, they all know your connections with sipgate and many
people have said so, your bus driver story is merely a cover.
PS Why dont you accept calls from withheld numbers, are you mad or
something lovey, i bet you dont get many calls huh ?
"PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> The 1000 option is really only of value if you can guarantee to make
>> enough calls for it to be worthwhile, otherwise it's better to stay on
>> the normal PAYG tariff.
How did you get this and does it still exist within the BT tariffs?
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:44:29 GMT, "Jono" <no@nospamblueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>application. Customers who use Indirect Access or Carrier Pre-Selection or
>>who make regular use of mobiles are not eligible for these schemes.
>>
>>http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/mofaq/...sofaq/?a=87101
>>
> No mention about people who have an adsl connection on the line not
> being eligible .
Have a look at the link the OP gave you to BT's site. There are many, many
more exclusions, ADSL being one of them.
I've been using the "Sipgate 1000" for three months now and I'm pleased with
it.
I calculated the "break-even" point is 310 minutes of geographic calls at
Sipgate's standard rate of 1.19p; anything over this and it is a good deal.
We never managed to use the entire thousand minutes but certainly have made
enough calls to make it worthwhile having Sipgate 1000.
Kids think it's really strange that dad has packed in nagging them about
being on phone :)
Ian wrote:
> "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Ok, for £6 PCM 1000 mins.
>>
>>So, I hate paying BT, I never use the damm phone for incoming or outgoing.
>>
>>So, should I take up this deal and get rid of the phone.
>>
>>Basically my daughter is the only one who uses it for her friends etc..
>>
>>
>
> The 1000 mins ONLY cover landline calls all other calls are charged at
> sipgates normal rates and billed by the minute not second as per other
> suppliers (And how Sipgate are billed by their suppliers). Their mobile rate
> is nearly 15ppm so beware.
>
Does anyone know which provider is the cheapest for mobile calls
(excluding providers that require you to use their own hardware).
atm I'm using gradwell who are 12.00p/10.00p/7.00p per minute.
14.1/11.75/8.23 p/min (inc. VAT).
Which isn't that much cheaper than the 14.9p inc. VAT that sipgate charge.
I'm very happy with both services, I'm just being curious.
Joe Harrison wrote:
> I've been using the "Sipgate 1000" for three months now and I'm pleased with
> it.
>
> I calculated the "break-even" point is 310 minutes of geographic calls at
> Sipgate's standard rate of 1.19p; anything over this and it is a good deal.
> We never managed to use the entire thousand minutes but certainly have made
> enough calls to make it worthwhile having Sipgate 1000.
>
> Kids think it's really strange that dad has packed in nagging them about
> being on phone :)
>
> Joe
>
Err, surely it's nearer 500 minutes (well 496), since 500 mins at 1.19p
comes to £5.95.
With the nipper here, we seem to smash the 1000 minute barrier (atm.),
will need to get his gf. set up with an account.
ffs you dont get all this messing about with vonage, god you must have a
lot of time on your hands to be fiddling about with the silly bits of a
second rate service such as pissgate huh?
SK wrote:
> ffs you dont get all this messing about with vonage, god you must have a
> lot of time on your hands to be fiddling about with the silly bits of a
> second rate service such as pissgate huh?
>
You're right, calling a 5 digit phone number once you've set up the
account to be able to credit it for the first time (only time you need
to do it), is a real burden.
It's so much more of a pain in the arse than being required to buy
branded locked hardware to use the service.
"Thomas Rankin" <tom@sanguinarius.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> Ian wrote:
> > "PhilÅ" <iclgateway@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1yFUe.1793$K5.875@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> >>Ok, for £6 PCM 1000 mins.
> >>
> >>So, I hate paying BT, I never use the damm phone for incoming or
outgoing.
> >>
> >>So, should I take up this deal and get rid of the phone.
> >>
> >>Basically my daughter is the only one who uses it for her friends etc..
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The 1000 mins ONLY cover landline calls all other calls are charged at
> > sipgates normal rates and billed by the minute not second as per other
> > suppliers (And how Sipgate are billed by their suppliers). Their mobile
rate
> > is nearly 15ppm so beware.
> >
> Does anyone know which provider is the cheapest for mobile calls
> (excluding providers that require you to use their own hardware).
>
> atm I'm using gradwell who are 12.00p/10.00p/7.00p per minute.
>
> 14.1/11.75/8.23 p/min (inc. VAT).
>
> Which isn't that much cheaper than the 14.9p inc. VAT that sipgate charge.
>
> I'm very happy with both services, I'm just being curious.
Voiptalk silver tarif is cheaper but is £2.99 a month, Gradwell and
voiptalk also charge by the second not Minute as sipgate does.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:38:50 +0100, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>>> it isn't in BT's nature to give anything away just
>>> the opposite in fact .
>>
>>And I'm sure that that is just how their shareholders like it. They are
>>a business, not a charity.
> And why I have always maintained that it should be taken back into
> public ownership like the gas and electricity service industries
> should be also. I have a friend who never fails to tell me how much
> interest he receives from his shares in BT I wouldn't care but he
> doesn't have a fixed phone line in his house TW cable and Vonage for
> phone calls .
He's not been a friend long? They've only recently started paying dividends
again and they're nothing to write home about.
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