Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
that bad then ?
<N.Dexter@lancs.no-ip.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:36:06 GMT, "Paul" <paul@netfantastic.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>any comments on the adaptor and sipgate ?
>
> Oh deer I have just bitten my tongue aren't I feeling kind Ivor !! .
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
"Paul" <paul@netfantastic.net> wrote in message
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> that bad then ?
Don't take any notice of Dexter, he's the resident group troll, most
people have him killfiled now, but he won't do the same for me,
unfortunately ;-)
The TA612V is perfectly ok, it's not the one I would choose, but then I'm
a bit of a nerd and like fiddling with setting and things, but for actual
use as a router/VoIP adaptor it's fine and configures itself on Sipgate
via their website (I assume you've done this..?)
If you need any help in setting things up, let me know. If you want to
make/receive some test calls, try 1431320 (my speaking clock) or email me
off group with your SIP ID and I'll call you back. Replace invalid with
com in sending address to reply.
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
Paul wrote:
> I bought the adapter today from staples for £9.50
>
> any comments on the adaptor and sipgate ?
can't comment on the adapter, but I did give sipgate a try initially, as
I thought folks may have been a bit harsh about the service.
only used it for icoming calls, but the quality for the week or more I
tried to use them made it a no-go especially as a main communications
media for my business.
I originally tried to put money on the account but the web-site wouldn't
work. Incoming calls transferred from BT line (BT Forward on busy) were
un-usable.
If it's not businiess-critical use (just playing around with the
technology) then give it a go, but don't be disheartned if call quality
is not what you you were expecting, there are plenty more options to
chose from, most of which will provide extremely good call quality and
support.
Be sure to let us know how you get on.
I have been trying to get my original sipgate 0845 number registered at
home, but my router won't register the account for some reason.
(I really want to give sipgate a fair chance before joining the "sipgate
is crap" brigade completely)
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
""Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)"" <PeTe33@gymratz.co.uk>
wrote in message
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[snip]
> I have been trying to get my original sipgate 0845 number
> registered at home, but my router won't register the
> account for some reason.
> (I really want to give sipgate a fair chance before
> joining the "sipgate is crap" brigade completely)
I'd be interested in knowing more about your setup, as I've never once had
a call quality issue with Sipgate. Yes they've had more than their fair
share of problems, and the system has gone down a few times, but never has
any call been less than perfect quality.
What equipment are you using and what settings are you trying to enter..?
Some screenshots would be useful (forward to me directly rather than post
on the group, unless you have a website available, as this group doesn't
support attachments). Replace invalid with com in sending address to
reply.
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
Ivor Jones wrote:
> I'd be interested in knowing more about your setup, as I've never once had
> a call quality issue with Sipgate. Yes they've had more than their fair
> share of problems, and the system has gone down a few times, but never has
> any call been less than perfect quality.
I have a DrayTek Vigor 2910vg both here in the shop and at home.
In the shop I have 2 phones in the 2 adaptors one phone is a DECT the
other a bit of an antiquity (BT Decor 100)
The only settings I have needed to tinker with on the vigor has been
mic. and speaker gain, and changing the DTMF Relay from "in Band" to
"SIP INFO (Cisco Format)" to get DTMF tones to be recognised by PSTN
equipment, switchboards, automated operator etc etc.
> What equipment are you using and what settings are you trying to enter..?
> Some screenshots would be useful (forward to me directly rather than post
> on the group, unless you have a website available, as this group doesn't
> support attachments). Replace invalid with com in sending address to
> reply.
Screen shots... Never did quite understand how to do those!
:¬)
I am of course willing to give sipgate a fair chance, it's just the
alternatives I was forced to try due to lack of confidence in sipgate
have proved to work very well with the Vigors.
voipcheap.com for the majority of outbound calls and voipfone.co.uk for
0845 inbound numbers and for calling all other numbers where lack of
caller ID presents the problem of recipient not answering
"international" calls.
Just thought that as I had a nice 0845 number through sipgate I could
allocate it to our home line rather than a tricky to remember 056000...
number, then folks would have a choice.
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
""Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)"" <PeTe33@gymratz.co.uk>
wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> > I'd be interested in knowing more about your setup, as
> > I've never once had a call quality issue with Sipgate.
> > Yes they've had more than their fair share of problems,
> > and the system has gone down a few times, but never has
> > any call been less than perfect quality.
>
> I have a DrayTek Vigor 2910vg both here in the shop and
> at home. In the shop I have 2 phones in the 2 adaptors one phone
> is a DECT the other a bit of an antiquity (BT Decor 100)
>
> The only settings I have needed to tinker with on the
> vigor has been mic. and speaker gain, and changing the
> DTMF Relay from "in Band" to "SIP INFO (Cisco Format)" to
> get DTMF tones to be recognised by PSTN equipment,
> switchboards, automated operator etc etc.
That's usual, SIP INFO is probably the best to use for most providers.
> > What equipment are you using and what settings are you
> > trying to enter..? Some screenshots would be useful
> > (forward to me directly rather than post on the group,
> > unless you have a website available, as this group
> > doesn't support attachments). Replace invalid with com
> > in sending address to reply.
>
> Screen shots... Never did quite understand how to do
> those!
Assuming Windows, Ctrl-Print Screen to copy to clipboard. Then import them
into whatever program you want such as Word.
> I am of course willing to give sipgate a fair chance,
> it's just the alternatives I was forced to try due to
> lack of confidence in sipgate have proved to work very
> well with the Vigors.
> voipcheap.com for the majority of outbound calls and
> voipfone.co.uk for 0845 inbound numbers and for calling
> all other numbers where lack of caller ID presents the
> problem of recipient not answering "international" calls.
>
> Just thought that as I had a nice 0845 number through
> sipgate I could allocate it to our home line rather than
> a tricky to remember 056000... number, then folks would
> have a choice.
Hmm, there's no such thing as a "nice" 0845 number, you'd be far better
off getting a normal geographic number. You won't find many here who will
be happy to call an 0845 or 0870 number..! It's still free from Sipgate of
course, but PSTN callers won't thank you..!
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
Ivor Jones wrote:
> Hmm, there's no such thing as a "nice" 0845 number, you'd be far better
> off getting a normal geographic number. You won't find many here who will
> be happy to call an 0845 or 0870 number..! It's still free from Sipgate of
> course, but PSTN callers won't thank you..!
I agree from the point of view of calling using voip, but of the 100's
of calls we get each week, I doubt there will be a 0.1 of a percent of
callers that are using VOIP to call.
Even if they are it's still only going to cost a few pence a minute at
most.
0845 86 86 888 is our "nice" number of course we still have our
original BT number of old should anyone desire.
0870 numbers are the pits I agree.
My good ole dad pointed me to a great site just last night!
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" explained on 17/01/2007 :
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>> Hmm, there's no such thing as a "nice" 0845 number, you'd be far better off
>> getting a normal geographic number. You won't find many here who will be
>> happy to call an 0845 or 0870 number..! It's still free from Sipgate of
>> course, but PSTN callers won't thank you..!
>
> I agree from the point of view of calling using voip, but of the 100's of
> calls we get each week, I doubt there will be a 0.1 of a percent of callers
> that are using VOIP to call.
> Even if they are it's still only going to cost a few pence a minute at most.
>
> 0845 86 86 888 is our "nice" number of course we still have our original BT
> number of old should anyone desire.
You seem to be blissfully unaware that calls to 0845 numbers cost from
about 4 times more to call than if you have a normal 01/02/0560 number.
Unless you get a cut from the call revenue to your 0845 number, the
provider of it certainly is getting a cut.
Ivor's point was that if, as a Sipgate customer you dial a Sipgate 0845
number, the call is routed by VoIP & is therefore free. However if
someone is ringing from, say a normal fixed line, they'll be paying a
premium.
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
Jono wrote:
> You seem to be blissfully unaware that calls to 0845 numbers cost from
> about 4 times more to call than if you have a normal 01/02/0560 number.
Perhaps I am getting confused somewhere.
I was under the impression local rate i.e. same geographical number
calling same geo. number was around the same price on a week day daytime
call as 0845 (or the other way round) i.e. 3 p/min
0870 number is as I was under the impression, a National rate number or,
the same rate as somone calling a non-local 01/02 (e.g. 7p/min weekday
daytime)
0560 numbers "seemed" to be close enough to the cost of a local call as
not to make a difference.
As virtually all our customers are calling from outside the 0117 area it
seemed to make sense to offer an 0845 number which would be cheaper and
more memorable.
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" used his keyboard to write :
> Jono wrote:
>
>> You seem to be blissfully unaware that calls to 0845 numbers cost from
>> about 4 times more to call than if you have a normal 01/02/0560 number.
>
> Perhaps I am getting confused somewhere.
> I was under the impression local rate i.e. same geographical number calling
> same geo. number was around the same price on a week day daytime call as 0845
> (or the other way round) i.e. 3 p/min
>
> 0870 number is as I was under the impression, a National rate number or, the
> same rate as somone calling a non-local 01/02 (e.g. 7p/min weekday daytime)
In the good old days what you state was true, however, the only group
of people, with the exception of some business customers, that pay the
same for local/0845 and national/0870 are Light User Scheme customers
<http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/public/current/Call_Charges_boo/0016_d0e5.htm#0016-d0e5>
It's true that, on BT at 3ppm to 01/02 numbers, 3.94ppm is not much
more, however, it is more. I, for one, avoid paying more than 1ppm if I
can.
> 0560 numbers "seemed" to be close enough to the cost of a local call as not
> to make a difference.
Yes, but with the same exceptions, there aren't any plans that I can
think of where there is a distinction between local & national - so why
should there be a difference with 0560? I had always though the pricing
was the same as geo - found out tonight it's not.
> As virtually all our customers are calling from outside the 0117 area it
> seemed to make sense to offer an 0845 number which would be cheaper and more
> memorable.
Certainly less expensive than 0870, however calls to an 0845 number
would not normally be included in calls allowed on an "inclusive"
package. It is unlikely to ever be cheaper to call an 0845 number than
a national number with current pricing plans
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
In message of Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) writes
>Jono wrote:
>
>> You seem to be blissfully unaware that calls to 0845 numbers cost
>>from about 4 times more to call than if you have a normal 01/02/0560
>>number.
>
>Perhaps I am getting confused somewhere.
>I was under the impression local rate i.e. same geographical number
>calling same geo. number was around the same price on a week day
>daytime call as 0845 (or the other way round) i.e. 3 p/min
>
>0870 number is as I was under the impression, a National rate number
>or, the same rate as somone calling a non-local 01/02 (e.g. 7p/min
>weekday daytime)
>
>0560 numbers "seemed" to be close enough to the cost of a local call as
>not to make a difference.
>
>As virtually all our customers are calling from outside the 0117 area
>it seemed to make sense to offer an 0845 number which would be cheaper
>and more memorable.
No. It's cheaper to call a Bristol (0117) number form North of Scotland,
or Lands End than calling an 0845 number
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
In message of Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) writes
>Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>> Hmm, there's no such thing as a "nice" 0845 number, you'd be far
>>better off getting a normal geographic number. You won't find many
>>here who will be happy to call an 0845 or 0870 number..! It's still
>>free from Sipgate of course, but PSTN callers won't thank you..!
>
>I agree from the point of view of calling using voip, but of the 100's
>of calls we get each week, I doubt there will be a 0.1 of a percent of
>callers that are using VOIP to call.
>Even if they are it's still only going to cost a few pence a minute at
>most.
>
>0845 86 86 888 is our "nice" number of course we still have our
>original BT number of old should anyone desire.
>
>0870 numbers are the pits I agree.
>My good ole dad pointed me to a great site just last night!
>
>http://www.saynoto0870.com/
>
>I have of course added our business details to it but it's one well
>worth remembering Try doing a search for DVLA
05600031183
is not free to PSTN users, re your entry on saynoto0870
Re: sipgate - good or bad with a netgear ta612v voice adapter ?
David Floyd wrote:
> 05600031183
> is not free to PSTN users, re your entry on saynoto0870
I know.
I am looking to rectify the error.
By the looks of things I will be setting up another 0117 to publish
alongside the 0845 one to give folks more options
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