Sipgate, not delivering a relaible service here....

Well I've been with sipgate now for a few months and I have to say that my
personal experience of the service is not a good one. It's been plagued
with lost calls, both outgoing and incoming and last night I had three
silent calls close together, which appeared to have no-one there at the
other end, but after I logged into their website, the calls turned out to be
my sister trying to call me. Three calls she made, and all three were
silent both ways. Hey and I'd better not mention that crazy voicemail too
much, it continues to talk to me in German/English/Male/Female all at the
same time : (

Cant they be bothered to sort out their problems, or are they just not able
to? Does anyone know if I can claim my credit back from them, as I am
wanting to move to another company who (hopefully) can deliver a better
service and I have around 22 quid on sipagte last time I looked.

"Sass" <sass4488@nospam.532563.com> wrote in message
news:3o57b4F407vgU1@individual.net...
> Well I've been with sipgate now for a few months and I have to say that my
> personal experience of the service is not a good one. It's been plagued
> with lost calls, both outgoing and incoming and last night I had three
> silent calls close together, which appeared to have no-one there at the
> other end, but after I logged into their website, the calls turned out to
> be my sister trying to call me. Three calls she made, and all three were
> silent both ways. Hey and I'd better not mention that crazy voicemail too
> much, it continues to talk to me in German/English/Male/Female all at the
> same time : (
>
> Cant they be bothered to sort out their problems, or are they just not
> able to? Does anyone know if I can claim my credit back from them, as I
> am wanting to move to another company who (hopefully) can deliver a better
> service and I have around 22 quid on sipagte last time I looked.
>

get out befor eit goes tits up, or maybe eyevor jones could help you as he
is associated directly with the company as eyevor himself has freely
admitted.

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"Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely."

"Sass" <sass4488@nospam.532563.com> wrote in message
news:3o57b4F407vgU1@individual.net
> Well I've been with sipgate now for a few months and I
> have to say that my personal experience of the service is
> not a good one. It's been plagued with lost calls, both
> outgoing and incoming and last night I had three silent
> calls close together, which appeared to have no-one there
> at the other end, but after I logged into their website,
> the calls turned out to be my sister trying to call me. Three calls she
> made, and all three were silent both
> ways. Hey and I'd better not mention that crazy voicemail
> too much, it continues to talk to me in
> German/English/Male/Female all at the same time : (
> Cant they be bothered to sort out their problems, or are
> they just not able to? Does anyone know if I can claim
> my credit back from them, as I am wanting to move to
> another company who (hopefully) can deliver a better
> service and I have around 22 quid on sipagte last time I
> looked.

Can you give more details of the equipment used at both ends..? Were the
calls Sipgate to Sipgate or were the incoming calls from the PSTN..? Are
you or the other person using softphones (PC's) or hardware, i.e. IP
phones or ATA's with landline phones plugged in..?

Lack of audio and one-way audio are more often than not the reault of
misconfiguration, particularly port forwarding. I had this problem when I
first started until I figured out that my router was not compatible. After
I changed it I had no major problems at all.

I agree about the voicemail, but despite its language difficulties it does
work, in that it saves messages if you're offline or can't get to the
phone.

Please let me know if you want to do any direct tests, I may be able to
help once I know the hardware/software situation.

Ivor

(PS take no notice of Stefan)

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:54:34 +0100, "Sass" <sass4488@nospam.532563.com>
wrote:

>Well I've been with sipgate now for a few months and I have to say that my
>personal experience of the service is not a good one. It's been plagued
>with lost calls, both outgoing and incoming and last night I had three
>silent calls close together, which appeared to have no-one there at the
>other end, but after I logged into their website, the calls turned out to be
>my sister trying to call me. Three calls she made, and all three were
>silent both ways. Hey and I'd better not mention that crazy voicemail too
>much, it continues to talk to me in German/English/Male/Female all at the
>same time : (
>
>Cant they be bothered to sort out their problems, or are they just not able
>to? Does anyone know if I can claim my credit back from them, as I am
>wanting to move to another company who (hopefully) can deliver a better
>service and I have around 22 quid on sipagte last time I looked.
>
Your experience is not unusual. If you look among the postings on this
group you would be pressed to find a good word about Sipgate other
than their free geographic numbers. However, if they don't work a lot
of the time what use are they.
I spent a great deal of time trying to get my ATA going with Sipgate -
it really wasn't worth it.
I have just gone on to voipfone.co.uk.
I set up the ATA with the settings they recommend and it worked
straight away. They have a good reputation for reliability on this
group. They have a good voice mail system, call waiting and caller
display as standard.
You can choose to have a geographic number for £2/month.
However, if you choose to have an free 0506 number then that can be
dialled for the same cost as a standard geographic number on 18866 -
most of my friends have that so no problem.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.

eyevor will be asking for details as he works fro sipgate

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"Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely."

"Mr T" <ba@baracus.uk> wrote in message
news:S4eTe.3372$oq4.449@newsfe5-win.ntli.net
> eyevor will be asking for details as he works fro sipgate

I'm trying to help, why don't you do something positive for a change,
Stefan..?

Ivor (note the Capital I at the start)

"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qkqqh1p25ius7r9h9jqacauk3gv758plve@4ax.com
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:54:34 +0100, "Sass"
> <sass4488@nospam.532563.com> wrote:
>
> > Well I've been with sipgate now for a few months and I
> > have to say that my personal experience of the service
> > is not a good one. It's been plagued with lost calls,
> > both outgoing and incoming and last night I had three
> > silent calls close together, which appeared to have
> > no-one there at the other end, but after I logged into
> > their website, the calls turned out to be my sister
> > trying to call me. Three calls she made, and all three
> > were silent both ways. Hey and I'd better not mention
> > that crazy voicemail too much, it continues to talk to
> > me in German/English/Male/Female all at the same time :
> > (
> >
> > Cant they be bothered to sort out their problems, or
> > are they just not able to? Does anyone know if I can
> > claim my credit back from them, as I am wanting to move
> > to another company who (hopefully) can deliver a better
> > service and I have around 22 quid on sipagte last time
> > I looked.
> >
> Your experience is not unusual. If you look among the
> postings on this group you would be pressed to find a
> good word about Sipgate other than their free geographic
> numbers. However, if they don't work a lot of the time
> what use are they.

They work 99% of the time for me. Stefan and Dex will have you believe
it's because I have a connection with them or even work for them (I don't)
but even if I did, do they supply a separate working network for just a
few people..?!

> I spent a great deal of time trying to get my ATA going
> with Sipgate - it really wasn't worth it.

I'd be interested to know what problems. Most issues are down to
misconfiguration. I had almighty problems with Sipgate when I first
started, it took me weeks to find out it was my router that was
incompatible, after I replaced it I had no major problems at all, that was
a year ago. Yes, Sipgate have had more than their fair share of troubles
with outages, etc (several of which were caused by problems elsewhere in
the network, not within Sipgate) but other systems aren't faultless
either, despite what Stefan says about Vonage..!

> I have just gone on to voipfone.co.uk.
> I set up the ATA with the settings they recommend and it
> worked straight away. They have a good reputation for
> reliability on this group. They have a good voice mail
> system, call waiting and caller display as standard.
> You can choose to have a geographic number for £2/month.
> However, if you choose to have an free 0506 number then
> that can be dialled for the same cost as a standard
> geographic number on 18866 - most of my friends have that
> so no problem.

A lot of people, myself included, don't like non-geographic numbers. Are
these 0506 numbers charged at the same rate as a normal landline number
from BT or Telewest *without* using any callthrough service..?

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:3o5ab6F42s3dU1@individual.net...
> A lot of people, myself included, don't like non-geographic numbers.

> Ivor

I'm not too keen on the poor service from Sipgate either : (

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qkqqh1p25ius7r9h9jqacauk3gv758plve@4ax.com
>
>>On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:54:34 +0100, "Sass"
>><sass4488@nospam.532563.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well I've been with sipgate now for a few months and I
>>>have to say that my personal experience of the service
>>>is not a good one. It's been plagued with lost calls,
>>>both outgoing and incoming and last night I had three
>>>silent calls close together, which appeared to have
>>>no-one there at the other end, but after I logged into
>>>their website, the calls turned out to be my sister
>>>trying to call me. Three calls she made, and all three
>>>were silent both ways. Hey and I'd better not mention
>>>that crazy voicemail too much, it continues to talk to
>>>me in German/English/Male/Female all at the same time :
>>>(
>>>
>>>Cant they be bothered to sort out their problems, or
>>>are they just not able to? Does anyone know if I can
>>>claim my credit back from them, as I am wanting to move
>>>to another company who (hopefully) can deliver a better
>>>service and I have around 22 quid on sipagte last time
>>>I looked.
>>>
>>
>>Your experience is not unusual. If you look among the
>>postings on this group you would be pressed to find a
>>good word about Sipgate other than their free geographic
>>numbers. However, if they don't work a lot of the time
>>what use are they.
>
>
> They work 99% of the time for me. Stefan and Dex will have you believe
> it's because I have a connection with them or even work for them (I don't)
> but even if I did, do they supply a separate working network for just a
> few people..?!
>
>
>>I spent a great deal of time trying to get my ATA going
>>with Sipgate - it really wasn't worth it.
>
>
> I'd be interested to know what problems. Most issues are down to
> misconfiguration. I had almighty problems with Sipgate when I first
> started, it took me weeks to find out it was my router that was
> incompatible, after I replaced it I had no major problems at all, that was
> a year ago. Yes, Sipgate have had more than their fair share of troubles
> with outages, etc (several of which were caused by problems elsewhere in
> the network, not within Sipgate) but other systems aren't faultless
> either, despite what Stefan says about Vonage..!
>
>
>>I have just gone on to voipfone.co.uk.
>>I set up the ATA with the settings they recommend and it
>>worked straight away. They have a good reputation for
>>reliability on this group. They have a good voice mail
>>system, call waiting and caller display as standard.
>>You can choose to have a geographic number for £2/month.
>>However, if you choose to have an free 0506 number then
>>that can be dialled for the same cost as a standard
>>geographic number on 18866 - most of my friends have that
>>so no problem.
>
>
> A lot of people, myself included, don't like non-geographic numbers. Are
> these 0506 numbers charged at the same rate as a normal landline number
> from BT or Telewest *without* using any callthrough service..?
>
> Ivor
>
>
From BT yes, I'm not sure about the others

Ivor Jones wrote:

> Ivor (note the Capital I at the start)

I was wondering how long it would take before you reacted! Surely the
best way to deal with someone like that is to ignore them

"Anon Y Mous" <..@..> wrote in message
news:431d754e$0$17471$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> > Ivor (note the Capital I at the start)
>
> I was wondering how long it would take before you
> reacted! Surely the best way to deal with someone like
> that is to ignore them

True, but sometimes Stefan-baiting is fun ;-)

I know, I know, this is my last word on it (for now..!)

Ivor

"Sass" <sass4488@nospam.532563.com> wrote in message
news:3o5ao5F48jblU1@individual.net
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3o5ab6F42s3dU1@individual.net...
> > A lot of people, myself included, don't like
> > non-geographic numbers.
>
> > Ivor
>
> I'm not too keen on the poor service from Sipgate either
> : (

So tell me more and I may be able to help. Like I said, most problems stem
from misconfiguration. I had terrible problems with them but I persevered
and sorted most of them and I have a reasonably reliable service, and
despite what some would have you believe I don't work for them.

Ivor

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:16:42 +0100, Brian A
<no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:

>If you look among the postings on this
>group you would be pressed to find a good word about Sipgate other
>than their free geographic numbers.

providing you have Ivor in your killfile ?

Phil
--
Remember - Global Warming is only a weather forecast :-)

Thus spaketh Sass:
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3o5ab6F42s3dU1@individual.net...
>> A lot of people, myself included, don't like non-geographic numbers.
>
>> Ivor
>
> I'm not too keen on the poor service from Sipgate either : (


I never get any of these problems others 'seem' to have.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:53:02 +0100, Anon Y Mous <..@..> wrote:

>Ivor Jones wrote:
>> "Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:qkqqh1p25ius7r9h9jqacauk3gv758plve@4ax.com
>>
>>>On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:54:34 +0100, "Sass"
>>><sass4488@nospam.532563.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well I've been with sipgate now for a few months and I
>>>>have to say that my personal experience of the service
>>>>is not a good one. It's been plagued with lost calls,
>>>>both outgoing and incoming and last night I had three
>>>>silent calls close together, which appeared to have
>>>>no-one there at the other end, but after I logged into
>>>>their website, the calls turned out to be my sister
>>>>trying to call me. Three calls she made, and all three
>>>>were silent both ways. Hey and I'd better not mention
>>>>that crazy voicemail too much, it continues to talk to
>>>>me in German/English/Male/Female all at the same time :
>>>>(
>>>>
>>>>Cant they be bothered to sort out their problems, or
>>>>are they just not able to? Does anyone know if I can
>>>>claim my credit back from them, as I am wanting to move
>>>>to another company who (hopefully) can deliver a better
>>>>service and I have around 22 quid on sipagte last time
>>>>I looked.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Your experience is not unusual. If you look among the
>>>postings on this group you would be pressed to find a
>>>good word about Sipgate other than their free geographic
>>>numbers. However, if they don't work a lot of the time
>>>what use are they.
>>
>>
>> They work 99% of the time for me. Stefan and Dex will have you believe
>> it's because I have a connection with them or even work for them (I don't)
>> but even if I did, do they supply a separate working network for just a
>> few people..?!
>>
>>
>>>I spent a great deal of time trying to get my ATA going
>>>with Sipgate - it really wasn't worth it.
>>
>>
>> I'd be interested to know what problems. Most issues are down to
>> misconfiguration. I had almighty problems with Sipgate when I first
>> started, it took me weeks to find out it was my router that was
>> incompatible, after I replaced it I had no major problems at all, that was
>> a year ago. Yes, Sipgate have had more than their fair share of troubles
>> with outages, etc (several of which were caused by problems elsewhere in
>> the network, not within Sipgate) but other systems aren't faultless
>> either, despite what Stefan says about Vonage..!
>>
>>
>>>I have just gone on to voipfone.co.uk.
>>>I set up the ATA with the settings they recommend and it
>>>worked straight away. They have a good reputation for
>>>reliability on this group. They have a good voice mail
>>>system, call waiting and caller display as standard.
>>>You can choose to have a geographic number for £2/month.
>>>However, if you choose to have an free 0506 number then
>>>that can be dialled for the same cost as a standard
>>>geographic number on 18866 - most of my friends have that
>>>so no problem.
>>
>>
>> A lot of people, myself included, don't like non-geographic numbers. Are
>> these 0506 numbers charged at the same rate as a normal landline number
>> from BT or Telewest *without* using any callthrough service..?
>>
>> Ivor
>>
>>
> From BT yes, I'm not sure about the others
TW charge exactly the same as BT. However, I thought that the charges
were a little more on BT than stasndard landline. Charges are approx
5/2/1 p/min.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
wrote in message news:iJOdnT5SVbY74oDeRVnygQ@pipex.net
> Thus spaketh Sass:
> > "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:3o5ab6F42s3dU1@individual.net...
> > > A lot of people, myself included, don't like
> > > non-geographic numbers.
> >
> > > Ivor
> >
> > I'm not too keen on the poor service from Sipgate
> > either : (
>
>
> I never get any of these problems others 'seem' to have.

You don't work for them as well as me, do you..?! ;-)

Ivor

"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in
message news:dpvqh1lnq3bmamp2hu7al2atjm3qhcd2bj@4ax.com
> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:16:42 +0100, Brian A
> <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you look among the postings on this
> > group you would be pressed to find a good word about
> > Sipgate other than their free geographic numbers.
>
> providing you have Ivor in your killfile ?
>
> Phil

Stefan keeps saying he's put me in his, but he keeps replying to me..!

Ivor

Sorry whos stefan

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"Mr T" <anonym.d999093ef91c@mytrashmail.com> wrote in
message news:AngTe.3223$zw1.791@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net
> Sorry whos stefan

The person using the IP address 81.110.218.193, proving you haven't
killfiled me.

That was 17 minutes from when you said you had.


Ivor

Mr T wrote:
> Sorry whos stefan
>
Duh! You are. Proof below. You need to do more than just change your
email address and name. Try using a different IP address than the
81.110.218.193 you always post from.

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Sorry whos stefan

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youre always afgainst things arent you-- i have seven lines and it took me
10 mins to set up--if you dont like it dont moan--its certainly much better
than all the other crap voip services
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:du56d19m3mih1o2mh8373rg635j5kjelvj@4ax.com...
> My God who said Vonage was easy to set up I have spent nearly all
> night setting it up to no avail plus a good 90 minutes on the phone to
> Vonage tech support stuff em talking to a brick wall would have
> produced better results I am sure ,the Linkses router crap goes back
> to Staples later .

<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:blprh1p6bf4r5aj3puo5r4lkicobrepjvd@4ax.com
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:06:47 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> > So tell me more and I may be able to help. Like I said,
> > most problems stem from misconfiguration. I had
> > terrible problems with them but I persevered and sorted
> > most of them and I have a reasonably reliable service,
> > and despite what some would have you believe I don't
> > work for them.
>
> Ivor Ivor Ivor you have been told countless times by
> scores of people that Sipgate is bad news yet no matter
> what people say you insist on defending them ,if came to
> it I am convinced you would lay down your life for the
> unless pillocks .

So how come I don't seem to have the problems you have..? Sipgate don't
operate a separate network for people who complain about them and those
who don't, you know..! Believe me, if I were having the problems you and
others seem to have, I *would* be shouting from the rooftops, but I'm not,
so I don't.

Dex, you know by now that I don't take other people's opinions as gospel.
I go by personal experience. My personal experience of Sipgate is that
while they have problems, they are still a reasonably reliable provider
and I estimate that a good 90% plus of the problems that I personally have
had (yes, I have had them) have been through equipment misconfiguration.

You feel differently, that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
However, you and Stefan are becoming stuck in the same groove you are
accusing me of being stuck in, the difference being you are refusing to
acknowledge that not everyone shares your oipinions.

You are no longer a Sipgate customer, so you cannot comment on their
current level of service. Go and use Vonage, Voipbuster or whoever you
want, sing their praises if you like, *I don't care* - but *don't* keep
bleating at me because I don't share your views. You are demeaning me,
yourself and the entire newsgroup, which was set up to discuss VoIP
rationally, not slag off people or companies for that matter.

Ivor

<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nsprh1hvo20dgiq8skh0988ta0emvtc36u@4ax.com
> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:36:28 +0100, Phil Thompson
> <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:16:42 +0100, Brian A
> > <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If you look among the postings on this
> > > group you would be pressed to find a good word about
> > > Sipgate other than their free geographic numbers.
> >
> > providing you have Ivor in your killfile ?
>
> But it's nice to see him making a fool of himself
> defending this no good company .

Unlike you I take no pleasure from seeing people make fools of themselves.
You are doing just as good a job as you claim I am but it saddens me that
you feel the need to do so.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> You are demeaning me,
> yourself and the entire newsgroup, which was set up to discuss VoIP
> rationally, not slag off people or companies for that matter.
>
> Ivor
>
>

Very well put Ivor. I entirely agree with your stance on Sipgate's
services.

I have been with Sipgate for the last few months and have to agree that
the problems i had have been down to my misconfiguration.

The only problem that sipgate have had (in my eyes) was on an occasion
sipgate didn't present to the PSTN callers a 'Ring'.

If you want a VOIP setup 'out of the box' then Vonage seems ideal. I
don't want that - i want to tinker with my Asterisk PBX. Furthermore, I
won't consider Vonage due to there excessive monthly cost.

Sipgate's voicemail has been in beta for far too long now. But i feel
that excuses the odd querk - if you don't feel it's reliable enough
don't use it - it's optional!

eyevor give it a rest we all know youre connected with pissgate dont wee,
stop trying to kiss dexs ass and suck up to him, hes had your measue for a
long time now.

the bus driver story is just a cover for your real ocupation,SIPGATE
NEWGROUP ENFORCER huh

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"Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely."

second rate service mor elike a NO RATE service in fact that pissgate are
supplying to the gullible uk customers aho think theyre wonderful.

As dex says vonage are absolutely flawless, always have been,always will be
and you lot complain about paying a small amount for consistent quality
huh--go figure?

At least i DECLARE my interest in the aforementioned company unlike eyevor
the ALLEGED COVER STORY BUS DRIVER.

Switch to vonage itll be the best option once they take over the whole of
the uk voip market you will all be transferring over i guarantee you.

In fact i will give you all 10 free 0870 revenue generating numbers if you
switch now.
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dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:33:26 +0100, davew
> <daviey.walker*SPAM*virgin.net> wrote:
>>Furthermore, I
>>won't consider Vonage due to there excessive monthly cost.
>
> Excessive monthly cost no line rental free calls 24/7 to UK and all of
> Ireland Geographical numbers there is nothing excessive about it plus
> you know when you pick up the phone you are going to be able to make a
> call at any time.

Can you do so right now?

<gkurh1lh6mh5ui88qfm6hb00dp8eif671r@4ax.com>
Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:27:41 +0000 (UTC)

dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:15:32 +0100, Sean
> <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>Incoming calls to my PSTN numbers are not working on voipfone tonight.
>>(geo included).....Anyone else?
>
> Looks like they have big problems Sean I rang them just now from my
> mobile and get a message saying I have dialed a wrong number which I
> always get when something is wrong at the other end and I just get the
> unobtainable tone with Vonage .

I cfan i have just cum off one of my lines to an irish associate and we were
lauging that some muppets would ratyher have a free inferior service such as
sipgate

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<dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:875sh119kq6ih97at0uu4pi1qc7g1nfmha@4ax.com...
>> Course I can never failed to find Vonage unusable yet having said that
> their " all circuit's are busy" message around midday EVERY DAY are
> getting to be a little irksome .
> Shut your gob

one has never had the same problem dexter old son, never had any circuits
busy

Kali Vandenberg wrote:

>
>
> one has never had the same problem dexter old son, never had any circuits
> busy
>
>

Stefan, why do you keep posting from different alias?

"Mr T" <anonym.d999093ef91c@mytrashmail.com> wrote in
message news:vunTe.9586$vC4.2822@newsfe4-win.ntli.net

[snip]

> Switch to vonage itll be the best option once they take
> over the whole of the uk voip market you will all be
> transferring over i guarantee you.

Want to bet me £10000, Stefan..?!

Ivor