I run a voip line on the end of a cable connection from Virgin, and I
fully understand that the system works as the cable is 'always on'.
What I don't understand is ..... others, who do not have 'always on'
cable, use VoIP ..... but how?
My Mum for example, uses (as it happens) AOL for her Internet -and it
a dial up broadband system. How could she use VoIP - would she have to
leave her connection to AOL on 24/7?
"Michael" <kj@nvb.com> wrote in message
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> Folks
>
> I run a voip line on the end of a cable connection from Virgin, and I
> fully understand that the system works as the cable is 'always on'.
>
> What I don't understand is ..... others, who do not have 'always on'
> cable, use VoIP ..... but how?
>
> My Mum for example, uses (as it happens) AOL for her Internet -and it
> a dial up broadband system. How could she use VoIP - would she have to
> leave her connection to AOL on 24/7?
>
> Sorry for being so thick.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Mick
>
> --
>
ASDL/CABLE are all "always on" and should be fine
ISDN can be "always on" or work like dialup.. depending on how it's
configured..
Dialup is not Viable for good quality VoIP (It was 15 years ago when you
were paying 3£/min for an international call)
On a personal note ;P..... AOL is not viable for anything or anyone no
matter where they are :P
"Michael" <kj@nvb.com> wrote in message
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> Folks
>
> I run a voip line on the end of a cable connection from Virgin, and I
> fully understand that the system works as the cable is 'always on'.
>
> What I don't understand is ..... others, who do not have 'always on'
> cable, use VoIP ..... but how?
>
> My Mum for example, uses (as it happens) AOL for her Internet -and it
> a dial up broadband system. How could she use VoIP - would she have to
> leave her connection to AOL on 24/7?
>
> Sorry for being so thick.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Mick
>
> --
I imagine the only reason that your mums ADSL is not always on
is because she is using a USB modem powered by her computer.
Strictly speaking it is not "dial-up broadband" but Windows dial-up
networking is typically used to initiate the connection, so it may seem
that way.
For VoIP, and other serious internet use, you would have a router
to connect to the Internet independent of your computer(s)
"Graham." <me@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:fqk58t$59f$1@registered.motzarella.org
[snip]
imagine the only reason that your mums ADSL is not
: : always on
: : is because she is using a USB modem powered by her
: : computer.
: :
: : Strictly speaking it is not "dial-up broadband" but
: : Windows dial-up networking is typically used to
: : initiate the connection, so it may seem that way.
: : For VoIP, and other serious internet use, you would
: : have a router
: : to connect to the Internet independent of your
: : computer(s)
Which with AOL is not as easy as it could be........
>
> "Michael" <kj@nvb.com> wrote in message
> news:3Rfzj.61968$os2.5833@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> > Folks
> >
> > I run a voip line on the end of a cable connection from Virgin, and
> > I fully understand that the system works as the cable is 'always
> > on'.
> >
> > What I don't understand is ..... others, who do not have 'always on'
> > cable, use VoIP ..... but how?
> >
> > My Mum for example, uses (as it happens) AOL for her Internet
> > -and it a dial up broadband system. How could she use VoIP - would
> > she have to leave her connection to AOL on 24/7?
> >
> > Sorry for being so thick.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Mick
> >
> > --
>
>
> I imagine the only reason that your mums ADSL is not always on
> is because she is using a USB modem powered by her computer.
>
> Strictly speaking it is not "dial-up broadband" but Windows dial-up
> networking is typically used to initiate the connection, so it may
> seem that way.
> For VoIP, and other serious internet use, you would have a router
> to connect to the Internet independent of your computer(s)
Thanks Graham
I don't actually know if she has ADSL or ISDN - but I do know she has
the BT type USB modem ...... so that would seem to be ADSL.
She uses AOL as she in her 80's and I needed her to have some sort of
'safe' experience .... dare not let her loose at her age with an
unfettered experience!
In real terms, she uses the Internet to speak to my sister on the other
side of the Atlantic (Skype) ... and to swap email's with various
family members. Everything else is a struggle ..... if it were possible
to simply plug in an ATA and a phone, I be straight onto it ....
"Michael" <kj@nvb.com> wrote in message
news:pFizj.32539$d62.10310@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
> Graham. wrote:
>
>>
>> "Michael" <kj@nvb.com> wrote in message
>> news:3Rfzj.61968$os2.5833@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>> > Folks
>> >
>> > I run a voip line on the end of a cable connection from Virgin, and
>> > I fully understand that the system works as the cable is 'always
>> > on'.
>> >
>> > What I don't understand is ..... others, who do not have 'always
>> > on'
>> > cable, use VoIP ..... but how?
>> >
>> > My Mum for example, uses (as it happens) AOL for her Internet
>> > -and it a dial up broadband system. How could she use VoIP - would
>> > she have to leave her connection to AOL on 24/7?
>> >
>> > Sorry for being so thick.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> > Mick
>> >
>> > --
>>
>>
>> I imagine the only reason that your mums ADSL is not always on
>> is because she is using a USB modem powered by her computer.
>>
>> Strictly speaking it is not "dial-up broadband" but Windows dial-up
>> networking is typically used to initiate the connection, so it may
>> seem that way.
>> For VoIP, and other serious internet use, you would have a router
>> to connect to the Internet independent of your computer(s)
>
> Thanks Graham
>
> I don't actually know if she has ADSL or ISDN - but I do know she has
> the BT type USB modem ...... so that would seem to be ADSL.
>
> She uses AOL as she in her 80's and I needed her to have some sort of
> 'safe' experience .... dare not let her loose at her age with an
> unfettered experience!
>
> In real terms, she uses the Internet to speak to my sister on the
> other
> side of the Atlantic (Skype) ... and to swap email's with various
> family members. Everything else is a struggle ..... if it were
> possible
> to simply plug in an ATA and a phone, I be straight onto it ....
>
> SIMPLE would have to be the key element.
>
> Regards
>
> Mick
>
> --
>
A neighbour of ours is on AOL and has recently got broadband from the
same source. They provided a wireless router within the package. Maybe
try talking to AOL as it would look as though she has always-on ADSL and
just doesn't know it?
If that is the case then an ATA will do the job fine. I have a Sipura
which became Linksys which is now Cisco and it works well. Just make
sure she is not on a capped service as talk eats capacity.
>
> SIMPLE would have to be the key element.
>
> Regards
>
> Mick
>
So considere getting a proper VoIP phone (SNOM or others) that you plug into
a router. It looks like a phone, feel like a phone, works like a phone, and
(this is where you need an ADSL modem/router) is always on like any other
phone . You may have to install it and set it up for her, but after that, it
should be smooth....
> >
> > SIMPLE would have to be the key element.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mick
> >
>
> So considere getting a proper VoIP phone (SNOM or others) that you
> plug into a router. It looks like a phone, feel like a phone, works
> like a phone, and (this is where you need an ADSL modem/router) is
> always on like any other phone . You may have to install it and set
> it up for her, but after that, it should be smooth....
>
> JM
Thanks everyone.
I'll give it some thought before making a suggestion. She's not known
as the Prophet Of Doom for no good reason, so I will have to KNOW it
will work first time upon installation. Will do some research with AOL
I think!
"Michael" <kj@nvb.com> wrote in message
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> Folks
>
> I run a voip line on the end of a cable connection from Virgin, and I
> fully understand that the system works as the cable is 'always on'.
>
> What I don't understand is ..... others, who do not have 'always on'
> cable, use VoIP ..... but how?
>
> My Mum for example, uses (as it happens) AOL for her Internet -and it
> a dial up broadband system. How could she use VoIP - would she have to
> leave her connection to AOL on 24/7?
>
> Sorry for being so thick.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Mick
>
> --
>
It doesn't have to be "always on", just when you want to use it or take
calls - a bit like my girlfriends mobile.
It is possible to VOIP over an ISDN connection, but I never tried it. The
quality would probably be similar to PSTN, but not as good as raw ISDN.
It was possible to VOIP over dial up, but as you can imagine the quality
would be poor.
Perhaps someone can tell us if you can VOIP over 3G and how many channels
you need, bear in mind though that the network providers will intentionally
impede this working easily.
In article <8qSdnbgXqYPCtEzanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>,
R. Mark Clayton <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"Michael" <kj@nvb.com> wrote in message
>news:3Rfzj.61968$os2.5833@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>> Folks
>>
>> I run a voip line on the end of a cable connection from Virgin, and I
>> fully understand that the system works as the cable is 'always on'.
>>
>> What I don't understand is ..... others, who do not have 'always on'
>> cable, use VoIP ..... but how?
>>
>> My Mum for example, uses (as it happens) AOL for her Internet -and it
>> a dial up broadband system. How could she use VoIP - would she have to
>> leave her connection to AOL on 24/7?
>>
>> Sorry for being so thick.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Mick
>>
>> --
>>
>
>It doesn't have to be "always on", just when you want to use it or take
>calls - a bit like my girlfriends mobile.
>
>It is possible to VOIP over an ISDN connection, but I never tried it. The
>quality would probably be similar to PSTN, but not as good as raw ISDN.
>
>It was possible to VOIP over dial up, but as you can imagine the quality
>would be poor.
I've managed to have a successfull VoIP conversation over a shakey 33.6K
modem connection using the GSM codec. I imagine it might have been a
shade better using g729... Latency was a bit high (as ping times are
over dialup), but other than that it was "usable"...
If you can get both channels of the ISDN line up, then running a full
bandwidth codec (g711) over it via SIP or IAX should't be an issue at
all. Bit of a waste of the lines though, but if you had free Internet
connectivity over it, it might be better than paying BT ...
>Perhaps someone can tell us if you can VOIP over 3G and how many channels
>you need, bear in mind though that the network providers will intentionally
>impede this working easily.
I've had a colleague call me via VoIP and a 3G connection. Bit laggy,
but otherwise OK. Not had a chance to try myself yet. Maybe this weekend
I'll have a play...
"Gordon Henderson" <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote in message
news:fqrjpj$1qjv$1@energise.enta.net...
> In article <8qSdnbgXqYPCtEzanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>,
> R. Mark Clayton <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Michael" <kj@nvb.com> wrote in message
>>news:3Rfzj.61968$os2.5833@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>>> Folks
>>>
>>> I run a voip line on the end of a cable connection from Virgin, and I
>>> fully understand that the system works as the cable is 'always on'.
>>>
>>It is possible to VOIP over an ISDN connection, but I never tried it. The
>>quality would probably be similar to PSTN, but not as good as raw ISDN.
>>
>>It was possible to VOIP over dial up, but as you can imagine the quality
>>would be poor.
>
> I've managed to have a successfull VoIP conversation over a shakey 33.6K
> modem connection using the GSM codec. I imagine it might have been a
> shade better using g729... Latency was a bit high (as ping times are
> over dialup), but other than that it was "usable"...
>
> If you can get both channels of the ISDN line up, then running a full
> bandwidth codec (g711) over it via SIP or IAX should't be an issue at
> all. Bit of a waste of the lines though, but if you had free Internet
> connectivity over it, it might be better than paying BT ...
If you can get both lines up it should be a lot better - radio companies
used (possibly still do) to have a way of connecting over both channels of
basic rate with a better algorithm to give mid-fi mono voice.
>
>>Perhaps someone can tell us if you can VOIP over 3G and how many channels
>>you need, bear in mind though that the network providers will
>>intentionally
>>impede this working easily.
>
> I've had a colleague call me via VoIP and a 3G connection. Bit laggy,
> but otherwise OK. Not had a chance to try myself yet. Maybe this weekend
> I'll have a play...
R. Mark Clayton explained :
>> I've had a colleague call me via VoIP and a 3G connection. Bit laggy,
>> but otherwise OK. Not had a chance to try myself yet. Maybe this weekend
>> I'll have a play...
>
> Good luck.
Install Fring on a Nokia E61i which has a Vodafone 3G card in & try it
yourself.
As Gordon says, a bit laggy but surprisingly useable.
It certainly doesn't appear to be being impeded by the network.
"R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote in
message news:8qSdnbgXqYPCtEzanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com
[snip]
: > It is possible to VOIP over an ISDN connection, but I
: > never tried it. The quality would probably be similar
: > to PSTN, but not as good as raw ISDN.
Germany uses VoIP over ISDN, it works fine. Why BT can't/won't do it is
beyond me.
In article <63edg4F2791n3U1@mid.individual.net>,
Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>"R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote in
>message news:8qSdnbgXqYPCtEzanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com
>
>[snip]
>
>: > It is possible to VOIP over an ISDN connection, but I
>: > never tried it. The quality would probably be similar
>: > to PSTN, but not as good as raw ISDN.
>
>Germany uses VoIP over ISDN, it works fine. Why BT can't/won't do it is
>beyond me.
Are you sure you don't mean ADSL over ISDN?
Although VoIP is possible with a PPP IP link over bonded ADSL lines,
I can't see why you'd really want to run VoIP over ISDN when it has 2
perfectly good 64Kb channels plus a separate data path for signalling...
"Gordon Henderson" <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote in
message news:fqti09$28a4$1@energise.enta.net
: > In article <63edg4F2791n3U1@mid.individual.net>,
: > Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: >>
: >>
: >>"R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote
: >>in
: >>message news:8qSdnbgXqYPCtEzanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com
: >>
: >>[snip]
: >>
: >>: > It is possible to VOIP over an ISDN connection, but
: >>: > I never tried it. The quality would probably be
: >>: > similar to PSTN, but not as good as raw ISDN.
: >>
: >>Germany uses VoIP over ISDN, it works fine. Why BT
: >>can't/won't do it is beyond me.
: >
: > Are you sure you don't mean ADSL over ISDN?
Yes silly me, it was late at night. But if you've got ADSL over ISDN then
VoIP over that still works ;-)
Stupid question? ISDN / ASDL / Cable 
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