I'm really not that bright technically - but I manage if you know what
I mean.
I have replaced my SPA1001 for a PAP2T UK (unlocked) - the idea is to
have two physical phone lines side by side to allow my daughter to have
her own physical and independent phone line that she can run at the
same time as the normal house phone is used by the rest of us.
Prior to the decision to buy the PAP2T - i saw the following .....
Linksys SPA Series Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) Comparison Chart
Model SPA1001 - Service Lines 2 - Active Calls 2 - 3-Way Call 1 -
Conferences 1 - Network Ports 1
Model PAP2T Service Lines 2 - Active Calls 4 - 3-Way Call 2 - Network
Ports 2
It was the active calls at 4 that swung it coupled with the fact it
provided two physical lines / RJ11 connections.
I have been able to set up the device to allow one account per line -
but cannot for the life of me work out how I can have 4 active calls if
I can only register with two VoIP providers at any one time - the
device only caters for two lines (as did the SPA1001 -though it had
only one physical RJ port).
I was hoping to be able to utilise both my Voip.co.uk AND my Sipgate
account on line 1 and have my daughter with her own separate account on
line 2 - but cannot see how this can be done.
I have upgraded the device to the latest firmware.
Any advice would be appreciated (in simple English please).
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:34:17 GMT, "Michael" <kj@nvb.com> wrote:
>
>Folks - me again.
>
>I'm really not that bright technically - but I manage if you know what
>I mean.
>
>I have replaced my SPA1001 for a PAP2T UK (unlocked) - the idea is to
>have two physical phone lines side by side to allow my daughter to have
>her own physical and independent phone line that she can run at the
>same time as the normal house phone is used by the rest of us.
>
>Prior to the decision to buy the PAP2T - i saw the following .....
>
>Linksys SPA Series Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) Comparison Chart
>Model SPA1001 - Service Lines 2 - Active Calls 2 - 3-Way Call 1 -
>Conferences 1 - Network Ports 1
>
>Model PAP2T Service Lines 2 - Active Calls 4 - 3-Way Call 2 - Network
>Ports 2
>
>It was the active calls at 4 that swung it coupled with the fact it
>provided two physical lines / RJ11 connections.
>
>I have been able to set up the device to allow one account per line -
>but cannot for the life of me work out how I can have 4 active calls if
>I can only register with two VoIP providers at any one time - the
>device only caters for two lines (as did the SPA1001 -though it had
>only one physical RJ port).
>
>I was hoping to be able to utilise both my Voip.co.uk AND my Sipgate
>account on line 1 and have my daughter with her own separate account on
>line 2 - but cannot see how this can be done.
>
If you are wanting to receive calls from both Sipgate and voip.co.uk
on a single line - you can't! It would mean being able to register
both and there ain't provision for that.
If you want to receive calls on one provider and make calls via both,
on a single line - again you can't unless, in the dial plan, it allows
provider host, username and password to be entered as is supposed to
work with the SPA-3000 but it doesn't. Hence I don't think you would
get that working - unless someone here knows to the contrary.
For what you want to do you could use voxalot.com For free you can
have as many outgoing providers as you wish but you have to pay now to
register a provider (for your incoming calls). For just a single
provider, on one account, it is US$15/year (£7.45)
You would then register voxalot on your PAP2. Voxalot has a good
voicemail and has selective call forwarding. That means that you can
send some callers direct to voicemail and you can stop all calls
between certain hours. So, you can do quite a lot of things for your
money. I find the eu.voxalot.com server to be reliable.
If you have a voiptalk number it is possible to direct that number to
voxalot and avoid paying for registration. Just simply direct the
voiptalk number to your voxalot sip account.
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> Michael formulated on Tuesday :
> > Folks - me again.
> >
> > I'm really not that bright technically - but I manage if you know
> > what I mean.
> >
> > I have replaced my SPA1001 for a PAP2T UK (unlocked) - the idea is
> > to have two physical phone lines side by side to allow my daughter
> > to have her own physical and independent phone line that she can
> > run at the same time as the normal house phone is used by the rest
> > of us.
> >
> > Prior to the decision to buy the PAP2T - i saw the following .....
> >
> > Linksys SPA Series Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) Comparison
> > Chart Model SPA1001 - Service Lines 2 - Active Calls 2 - 3-Way
> > Call 1 - Conferences 1 - Network Ports 1 Model PAP2T Service
> > Lines 2 - Active Calls 4 - 3-Way Call 2 - Network Ports 2
>
> I can only think that it refers to the number of "three-way"
> conference calls you can have. the PAP2 can, indeed, set up 4 calls
> and conference them with the two handsets - admittedly there would be
> 2 x separate conferences of 3.
>
> > It was the active calls at 4 that swung it coupled with the fact it
> > provided two physical lines / RJ11 connections.
>
> Not 4 separate calls, though.
>
> >
> > I have been able to set up the device to allow one account per line
> > - but cannot for the life of me work out how I can have 4 active
> > calls if I can only register with two VoIP providers at any one
> > time - the device only caters for two lines (as did the SPA1001
> > -though it had only one physical RJ port).
>
> Because you can't.
>
> > I was hoping to be able to utilise both my Voip.co.uk AND my Sipgate
> > account on line 1 and have my daughter with her own separate
> > account on line 2 - but cannot see how this can be done.
>
> For that, I would suggest making use of the services of Voxalot, if
> possible.
>
> Using Voxalot, their server would register to both Sipgate(*) &
> voip.co.uk, in turn, your device would register with voxalot's
> server, allowing you to use either provider on Line One - as far as
> the PAP2 would be concerned, it would only see Voxalot.
>
> (*)..........I think I recall, though, that Sipgate don't allow
> Voxalot ....If they don't, without something like a Fritz!box or a
> Linksys SPA8000, I'm not sure what to suggest, other than setting
> yourself up with an Asterisk PBX...
>
> could you not get a 2nd number from voip.co.uk & bin Sipgate?
>
> > I have upgraded the device to the latest firmware.
> >
> > Any advice would be appreciated (in simple English please).
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mick
Folks - many thanks. It had to be too good to be true - but at least I
have two physical lines.
Michael wrote:
> I have been able to set up the device to allow one account per line -
> but cannot for the life of me work out how I can have 4 active calls if
> I can only register with two VoIP providers at any one time -
It is possible to make more than 1 call at the same time through the
same service provider on one port. Just put the call on hold and dial
again (I forget the *codes to do this, but it is possible)
> the
> device only caters for two lines (as did the SPA1001 -though it had
> only one physical RJ port).
You have struck on the main advantage of the SPA-1001 - 2 SIP accounts
on the same physical phone. No other ATA does this.
Although it is standard with none ATA devices such as any Snom phone or
Siemens S450IP.
> I was hoping to be able to utilise both my Voip.co.uk AND my Sipgate
> account on line 1 and have my daughter with her own separate account on
> line 2 - but cannot see how this can be done.
Maybe you should have bought a Siemens S450IP + S45 additional handset
This allows for 6 SIP accounts, which you can share out between the
handsets as you please.
> Michael wrote:
> > I have been able to set up the device to allow one account per line
> > - but cannot for the life of me work out how I can have 4 active
> > calls if I can only register with two VoIP providers at any one
> > time -
>
>
>
> > the
> > device only caters for two lines (as did the SPA1001 -though it had
> > only one physical RJ port).
>
> You have struck on the main advantage of the SPA-1001 - 2 SIP
> accounts on the same physical phone. No other ATA does this.
>
> Although it is standard with none ATA devices such as any Snom phone
> or Siemens S450IP.
>
>
>
> > I was hoping to be able to utilise both my Voip.co.uk AND my Sipgate
> > account on line 1 and have my daughter with her own separate
> > account on line 2 - but cannot see how this can be done.
>
>
> Maybe you should have bought a Siemens S450IP + S45 additional
> handset This allows for 6 SIP accounts, which you can share out
> between the handsets as you please.
>
> Tim
--
> It is possible to make more than 1 call at the same time through the
> same service provider on one port. Just put the call on hold and
> dial again (I forget the *codes to do this, but it is possible)
Ah - that's a good idea - hadn't thought of that .....
whilst were at it ..... the advertising blurb states it caters for
music on hold .... any idea how to do that??
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Michael <kj@nvb.com> wrote:
>
> Folks - many thanks. It had to be too good to be true - but at least
> I have two physical lines.
>
Or possibly 3 if your BB is over a BT line rather than cable. [I'm not sure
what you were referring to as the 'normal house phone' in your first post -
is this on a BT line, or just the other VoIP line?]
FWIW, my wife and I each have one port on our PAP2T, each with its own
number, allocated by voip.co.uk We make virtually all of our outgoing calls
over VoIP, and keep the BT line mainly for incoming calls. We use our BT
number as the outgoing Caller ID on the VoIP lines, so that anyone 'ringing
back' automatically comes in on the BT line. We each have a 2-line phone,
with one line connected to BT and the other to VoIP.
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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Michael <kj@nvb.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Folks - many thanks. It had to be too good to be true - but at
> > least I have two physical lines.
> >
> Or possibly 3 if your BB is over a BT line rather than cable. [I'm
> not sure what you were referring to as the 'normal house phone' in
> your first post - is this on a BT line, or just the other VoIP line?]
>
> FWIW, my wife and I each have one port on our PAP2T, each with its
> own number, allocated by voip.co.uk We make virtually all of our
> outgoing calls over VoIP, and keep the BT line mainly for incoming
> calls. We use our BT number as the outgoing Caller ID on the VoIP
> lines, so that anyone 'ringing back' automatically comes in on the BT
> line. We each have a 2-line phone, with one line connected to BT and
> the other to VoIP.
Sorry Roger -it's an issue of VoIP being the 'norm' - by house phone I
meant the voip.co.uk phone line - we have been using it as the 'house
phone' now for some considerable time. We have mobiles as backup should
the worst happen.
As a PAP2 user - do you have knowledge as to how to achieve music on
hold - or even how to put a call on hold in the first place!?
> Michael expressed precisely :
>
> >
> > As a PAP2 user - do you have knowledge as to how to achieve music
> > on hold - or even how to put a call on hold in the first place!?
>
> You would enter the IP address of a MOH streaming server to play
> Music on Hold - I had a cursory google for one....and drew a blank,
> though.
>
> Pressing the R key on a connected handset should put a caller on hold
> & give you a second dial tone.
I searched music on hold as opposed to MOH and got various results.
It's now firmly parked in the too hard to do tray and that's where that
will stay!
I found an equivalent of the R key - so that was good advice (thanks)
...... all I have to do now is sort out the others such as call back.
...... don't suppose anybody has a .pdf or .doc copy of the user manual
for BT Synergy 3105 phone do they??!
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Michael <kj@nvb.com> wrote:
>
> As a PAP2 user - do you have knowledge as to how to achieve music on
> hold - or even how to put a call on hold in the first place!?
>
Sorry, no - I've never really wanted to do either - particularly MOH. [I'm
pretty sick of getting other people's MOH, and certainly don't want to
inflict it on people who call me!]
I have a 2-line phone which can apparently put a call on hold in order to
make a call on the other line - but I've never tried it, and I don't think
it's what you want anyway!
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> Michael explained :
> > Jono wrote:
> >
> > > Michael expressed precisely :
> > >
> > > >
> > > > As a PAP2 user - do you have knowledge as to how to achieve
> > > > music on hold - or even how to put a call on hold in the first
> > > > place!?
> > >
> > > You would enter the IP address of a MOH streaming server to play
> > > Music on Hold - I had a cursory google for one....and drew a
> > > blank, though.
> > >
> > > Pressing the R key on a connected handset should put a caller on
> > > hold & give you a second dial tone.
> >
> > I searched music on hold as opposed to MOH and got various results.
> > It's now firmly parked in the too hard to do tray and that's where
> > that will stay!
>
> Oh dear! If I come across one, I'll post it.
>
> > I found an equivalent of the R key - so that was good advice
> > (thanks) ..... all I have to do now is sort out the others such as
> > call back.
>
> What's your definition of "Call Back"?
>
> > ..... don't suppose anybody has a .pdf or .doc copy of the user
> > manual for BT Synergy 3105 phone do they??!
>
> CLearly, I'm not just anybody as I do not have a copy, sorry.
Ooooh! Look what I found!
The User ID or URL of the auto-answering SAS to contact for MOH
services. Examples: 5000,1001@music.Linksys.com, 66.12.123.15:5061.
So - assuming I put this in a box somewhere (MOH Server) does this mean
I get free MOH? ... and do I need to set anything else anywhere such as
SAS to yes?....that, in particular is confusing to a non techie like me
as SAS would assumedly stand for Streaming Music Server ..... but an
instruction manual for a similar Linksys device says that if set you
'yes', then incoming calls will be rejected or some-such (The PAP2 did
not come with any meaningful instructions or details of what settings
mean).
.. Call Waiting, Cancel Call Waiting, Call Waiting Caller ID
.. Caller ID with Name/Number (Multi-national Variants)
.. Caller ID Blocking
.. Call Forwarding: No answer, Busy, All
.. Do Not Disturb
.. Call Transfer
.. Three-way Conference Calling with Local Mixing
.. Message Waiting Indication - Visual and Tone Based
.. Call Return
.. Call Back on Busy
.. Call Blocking with Toll Restriction
.. Delayed Disconnect
.. Distinctive Ringing - Calling and Called Number
.. Off-hook Warning Tone
.. Selective/Anonymous Call Rejection
.. Hot line and Warm Line Calling
.. Speed Dialling of 8 Numbers/Addresses
.. Music on Hold
....is the list of functions - and some are easy to configure such as
call waiting .... but what is a warm hot line calling all about and how
do I assign speed dial numbers to be used (I know I put the numbers in
the box in the config pages but how do I dial them?) These sorts of
questions don't seem to be catered for anywhere .....
> Jono wrote:
>
> > Michael explained :
> > > Jono wrote:
> > >
> > > > Michael expressed precisely :
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As a PAP2 user - do you have knowledge as to how to achieve
> > > > > music on hold - or even how to put a call on hold in the first
> > > > > place!?
> > > >
> > > > You would enter the IP address of a MOH streaming server to play
> > > > Music on Hold - I had a cursory google for one....and drew a
> > > > blank, though.
> > > >
> > > > Pressing the R key on a connected handset should put a caller on
> > > > hold & give you a second dial tone.
> > >
> > > I searched music on hold as opposed to MOH and got various
> > > results. It's now firmly parked in the too hard to do tray and
> > > that's where that will stay!
> >
> > Oh dear! If I come across one, I'll post it.
> >
> > > I found an equivalent of the R key - so that was good advice
> > > (thanks) ..... all I have to do now is sort out the others such as
> > > call back.
> >
> > What's your definition of "Call Back"?
> >
> > > ..... don't suppose anybody has a .pdf or .doc copy of the user
> > > manual for BT Synergy 3105 phone do they??!
> >
> > CLearly, I'm not just anybody as I do not have a copy, sorry.
>
> Ooooh! Look what I found!
>
> The User ID or URL of the auto-answering SAS to contact for MOH
> services. Examples: 5000,1001@music.Linksys.com, 66.12.123.15:5061.
>
> So - assuming I put this in a box somewhere (MOH Server) does this
> mean I get free MOH? ... and do I need to set anything else anywhere
> such as SAS to yes?....that, in particular is confusing to a non
> techie like me as SAS would assumedly stand for Streaming Music
> Server ..... but an instruction manual for a similar Linksys device
> says that if set you 'yes', then incoming calls will be rejected or
> some-such (The PAP2 did not come with any meaningful instructions or
> details of what settings mean).
>
> . Call Waiting, Cancel Call Waiting, Call Waiting Caller ID
> . Caller ID with Name/Number (Multi-national Variants)
> . Caller ID Blocking
> . Call Forwarding: No answer, Busy, All
> . Do Not Disturb
> . Call Transfer
> . Three-way Conference Calling with Local Mixing
> . Message Waiting Indication - Visual and Tone Based
> . Call Return
> . Call Back on Busy
> . Call Blocking with Toll Restriction
> . Delayed Disconnect
> . Distinctive Ringing - Calling and Called Number
> . Off-hook Warning Tone
> . Selective/Anonymous Call Rejection
> . Hot line and Warm Line Calling
> . Speed Dialling of 8 Numbers/Addresses
> . Music on Hold
>
> ...is the list of functions - and some are easy to configure such as
> call waiting .... but what is a warm hot line calling all about and
> how do I assign speed dial numbers to be used (I know I put the
> numbers in the box in the config pages but how do I dial them?) These
> sorts of questions don't seem to be catered for anywhere .....
>
>
> Mick
.....and I think I ought to say that I'm not really looking to use all
the options - just a bit frustrated that i cannot play with them
through lack of knowledge and a readable manual that explains the usage
of each setting in context.
The two phone lines work fine - one on each RJ11 port which is what I
wanted ..... anything else really is an extra ....
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Michael <kj@nvb.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > As a PAP2 user - do you have knowledge as to how to achieve music
> > on hold - or even how to put a call on hold in the first place!?
> >
>
> Sorry, no - I've never really wanted to do either - particularly MOH.
> [I'm pretty sick of getting other people's MOH, and certainly don't
> want to inflict it on people who call me!]
>
> I have a 2-line phone which can apparently put a call on hold in
> order to make a call on the other line - but I've never tried it, and
> I don't think it's what you want anyway!
Roger - you are right about MOH .......
I have a 2-line phone which can apparently put a call on hold in order
to make a call on the other line - but I've never tried it, and I don't
think it's what you want anyway!
it would have been handy to have been able to put a call on hold (now I
know how to!) and say, press * to gain a second line on the same phone
as I used to with the SPA1001 to dial out on a second line. Can't think
I'd nee to do that often, but that's what i thought I'd be able to do
with the knowledge that the PAP2T could handle 4 active calls .....
> Michael wrote on 19/09/2007 :
> > it would have been handy to have been able to put a call on hold
> > (now I know how to!) and say, press * to gain a second line on the
> > same phone as I used to with the SPA1001 to dial out on a second
> > line. Can't think I'd nee to do that often, but that's what i
> > thought I'd be able to do with the knowledge that the PAP2T could
> > handle 4 active calls .....
>
> You can.
>
> Pressing R or flicking/flashing the hook should give you dial tone &
> allow you to make another call on the same line.
>
> What have you got your "Hook Flash Tx Method" set to?
I found a setting - Hook Flash MIME type - which is set to
application/hook-flash
(cannot see any other reference to hook flash other than timers)
What I meant by * and getting another line was that on the SPA I'd
select * which selected line 2 to dial out on - but I don't think it
would occur at the same time as I had a call in-bound (that's an
assumption as I never knew about the R button function) -so are you
saying that on the PAP2 I can have an incoming call, hit the R key and
then dial out on the same phone (have an incoming AND an outgoing call
in progress on the same phone line simultaneously?)
Michael has brought this to us :
> Jono wrote:
>
>> Michael wrote on 19/09/2007 :
>>> it would have been handy to have been able to put a call on hold
>>> (now I know how to!) and say, press * to gain a second line on the
>>> same phone as I used to with the SPA1001 to dial out on a second
>>> line. Can't think I'd nee to do that often, but that's what i
>>> thought I'd be able to do with the knowledge that the PAP2T could
>>> handle 4 active calls .....
>>
>> You can.
>>
>> Pressing R or flicking/flashing the hook should give you dial tone &
>> allow you to make another call on the same line.
>>
>> What have you got your "Hook Flash Tx Method" set to?
>
> I found a setting - Hook Flash MIME type - which is set to
>
> application/hook-flash
>
> (cannot see any other reference to hook flash other than timers)
>
> What I meant by * and getting another line was that on the SPA I'd
> select * which selected line 2 to dial out on - but I don't think it
> would occur at the same time as I had a call in-bound (that's an
> assumption as I never knew about the R button function) -so are you
> saying that on the PAP2 I can have an incoming call, hit the R key and
> then dial out on the same phone (have an incoming AND an outgoing call
> in progress on the same phone line simultaneously?)
Yes, although, having not got a PAP2, I'm not sure how you toggle between the calls....After all, that is exactly how Call Waiting/or Three Way Calling should work.
Ring Waveform: Sinusoid (though Trapezoid may help problematic phones to ring).
Ring Frequency: 25
Ring Voltage: 80 (You can use 70, if problems try 75, 80, 85, 90)
CWT Frequency: 425@-20
Synchronized Ring: Yes
Hook Flash Timer Min: .06
Hook Flash Timer Max: .2
Callee On Hook Delay: 0
Reorder Delay: 5
Call Back Expires: 1800
Call Back Retry Intvl: 30
Call Back Delay: .5
VMWI Refresh Intvl: 0
Interdigit Long Timer: 10
Interdigit Short Timer: 3
CPC Delay: .5
CPC Duration: .1
.....
Time Zone: GMT
FXS Port Impedance: 370+620||310nF
Daylight Saving Time Rule: start=3/-1/7/2:0:0;end=10/-1/7/2:0:0;save=1:0:0
DTMF Playback Level: -16
DTMF Playback Length: .25
Caller ID Method: ETSI FSK With PR(UK)
FXS Port Power Limit: 3
Caller ID FSK Standard: v.23
Feature Invocation Method: Default
More Echo Suppression: yes
In Line 1 (or Line 2)
Line Enable: yes
NAT Mapping Enable: yes
NAT Keep Alive Enable: yes
Network Jitter Level: low (Depends on how good your broadband is / route to VoIP server)
Jitter Buffer Adjustment: Up and Down
Proxy and Registration
Proxy: Your Voip Proxy address (for example sip1.sipdiscount.com or sip.voipcheap.com or sipgate.co.uk etc)
Subscriber Information - (where you enter your VoIP Account details).
Supplementary Service Subscription - This is where you enable services such as Call Waiting, 3-Way Calling, block anonymous caller etc)
Audio Configuration - This is where you set-up which codecs you want to use or only use.
If you have limited broadband speed (mostly if upload is poor) then you probably only use one or more from G729a, G723 or G726)
If you want the best quality line, then you'd choose G711a (which is the standard used on a standard line)
(Myself, I use G711a only, have that set to my preferred codec and use that one only, but you may find other codecs are fine).
DTMF Tx Method: (This will depend on the VoIP service you use, trial and error and depends on codec) Soon know if it don't work when you
try telephone banking for example and it doesn't recognise what numbers you are pressing).
I have changed the settings from what I had to those posted above - no
idea what difference they will make - and no idea how to measure those
differences ..... the phone seems to work just as it did before
......though the settings posted above are different in some places from
settings I have copied off this forum before for UK settings (I assume
it was UK settings you posted?)
Stupid question - PAP2T UK 
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