It comes out at £ 6.03. No contest, and I've not included the outlay for the
voip hardware, or included the voip cost of the free calls I currently get via
TalkTalk, these would add another fiver.
The calls are a mixture of 60% UK landline, 30% UK mobile, 10%
0870/0845/international.
Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
wrong ?
--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:20:04 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Now and again I look seriously at the viability of using voip rather than POTS.
>
>I currently use a combination of BT, 18185.co.uk, and Talk Talk (Routed with
>an Orchid device).
>
>A number of those calls are free. Out of the chargeable ones, the total cost
>over a one month period was £3:78.
>
>I've calculated what the cost would have been (I think) using Sipgate, and
>their standard call charges.
>
>http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/tarife.php
>
>It comes out at £ 6.03. No contest, and I've not included the outlay for the
>voip hardware, or included the voip cost of the free calls I currently get via
>TalkTalk, these would add another fiver.
>
>The calls are a mixture of 60% UK landline, 30% UK mobile, 10%
>0870/0845/international.
>
>Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
>wrong ?
Re-calculate using VoipCheap, rather than Sipgate.
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in
message news:61r1l3F20jkuvU1@mid.individual.net
: : Now and again I look seriously at the viability of
: : using voip rather than POTS.
[snip]
: : Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have
: : I got my sums very wrong ?
It's not a question of cost to me, it's versatility. I can have several
numbers ostensibly in different locations (I have one London number, one
Birmingham one, two on my "local" exchange code, one in Germany and one in
the US. People in those places can call me for what is to them a local
call and it doesn't tie up the main BT line (which I use for the fax
machine).
Also the numbers work wherever I am in the world, so if I go on holiday
and take the laptop with me, all my numbers are available anywhere I can
get a broadband connection.
If you want to factor cost into it, think how much 4 "out of area" BT
lines would cost. Also, for the limited number of outgoing calls to POTS
lines I make (most are to other VoIP users) then the simple fact of no
"connection" or "call setup" charge means that a 30 second call to say
"I'm on the way" costs me just over 1p rather than 5 or 6p via BT.
Soruk wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:20:04 +0000, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Now and again I look seriously at the viability of using voip rather
>> than POTS.
>>
>> I currently use a combination of BT, 18185.co.uk, and Talk Talk
>> (Routed with an Orchid device).
>>
>> A number of those calls are free. Out of the chargeable ones, the
>> total cost over a one month period was £3:78.
>>
>> I've calculated what the cost would have been (I think) using
>> Sipgate, and their standard call charges.
>>
>> http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/tarife.php
>>
>> It comes out at £ 6.03. No contest, and I've not included the outlay
>> for the voip hardware, or included the voip cost of the free calls I
>> currently get via TalkTalk, these would add another fiver.
>>
>> The calls are a mixture of 60% UK landline, 30% UK mobile, 10%
>> 0870/0845/international.
>>
>> Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my
>> sums very wrong ?
>
> Re-calculate using VoipCheap, rather than Sipgate.
....or one of the other Betamax VoIP brands, such as VoIPDiscount, VoIPStunt
etc.
As I have cable broadband I didn't need a landline, so that was around £10
saving each month, I put calls through VoIPStunt as when I joined I got a
local VoIP-In number from them so didn't change, I paid around £6 in total
for 2.5 years of phone service / calls - once they started to implement the
top-up requirement I used free credit from easyMobile for signing people up,
it was use the credit or lose it as they were dropping out of the UK.
So 2.5 years of phone service for £6 is pretty good (Plus the cost of the
PAP2 ATA).
I do still use VoIP but not as much as before simply because VM offered me
free install of phone line (phone line was previously with BT as cable is a
rip-off on the phone at full rates) free line rental, free evening and
weekend calls package and free caller display for as long as I stay a
customer. So I wasn't going to say no.
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
> wrong ?
1. When it enables you to avoid paying line rental (eg cable broadband, or
2nd/3rd/4th lines)
2. When you want fancy PBX features like auto-divert, voicemail, 'press 1
for this, 2 for that' etc
3. When you can carry calls entirely over IP, not touching the PSTN
4. When you want to make/receive calls irrespective of geographical
location
5. When it's a replacement for a mobile call (see 4)
6. When you want to make use of providers in other countries (eg pretend to
be a local number on the other side of the world)
7. When you want multiple numbers (020...1 for sales, 020...2 for
accounts, or 020...3 for Fred, 020...4 for Bill)
8. When you want integration with computers, like fax-to-email.
A lot of this doesn't apply to many domestic customers who just make and
receive calls on the phoneline they have to have because they have ADSL.
You /can/ win if you want specific features that cost extra on the PSTN
(call divert etc) or aren't possible there (a New York number).
The big advantage PSTN dialthroughs have is a micropayments system, which
isn't the case on a 'top up XX pounds' VOIP system.
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:61r1l3F20jkuvU1@mid.individual.net...
> Now and again I look seriously at the viability of using voip rather than
> POTS.
>
> I currently use a combination of BT, 18185.co.uk, and Talk Talk (Routed
> with an Orchid device).
>
> A number of those calls are free. Out of the chargeable ones, the total
> cost over a one month period was £3:78.
>
> I've calculated what the cost would have been (I think) using Sipgate, and
> their standard call charges.
>
> http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/tarife.php
>
> It comes out at £ 6.03. No contest, and I've not included the outlay for
> the voip hardware, or included the voip cost of the free calls I currently
> get via TalkTalk, these would add another fiver.
>
> The calls are a mixture of 60% UK landline, 30% UK mobile, 10%
> 0870/0845/international.
>
> Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
> wrong ?
>
> --
> Mark
> Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.
I took the step nearly 3 years ago and have ditched all my PSTN lines now.
It has cost me just over £40 for that time with 2 Draytel accounts using 2
x geographical numbers.
I have numerous clients who have also made the switch and use VoIP for all
outgoing calls and inter branch routing.
Silver tariff on Draytel is as cheap as chips far better deal than sipgate
who are forever have problems when trying to credit an account.
I have found that it is really hard to beat the dial through PSTN
numbers - I re did last months bill using one of the VOIP outfits that
give a lot of free calls and the difference was less than a quid. We
call India a lot and I can do that for 3p/min at the moment. However,
and it is a big however, what it does give you is the ability to have
more than one conversation at once. So the wife can be chatting to her
sister whilst I make business calls. Or those times when you dare not
use the phone because you are waiting for an incoming one.
This month I switched from a PSTN + ATA setup to a Siemens S450IP - So
I can handle VOIP and PSTN from the same handsets and it is the
convenience rather than the cost savings that swing it for us.
On 17 Feb 2008 21:54:52 GMT, "Dave Saville" <dave@nospam.deezee.org>
wrote:
>I have found that it is really hard to beat the dial through PSTN
>numbers - I re did last months bill using one of the VOIP outfits that
>give a lot of free calls and the difference was less than a quid. We
>call India a lot and I can do that for 3p/min at the moment. However,
>and it is a big however, what it does give you is the ability to have
>more than one conversation at once. So the wife can be chatting to her
>sister whilst I make business calls. Or those times when you dare not
>use the phone because you are waiting for an incoming one.
>
>This month I switched from a PSTN + ATA setup to a Siemens S450IP - So
>I can handle VOIP and PSTN from the same handsets and it is the
>convenience rather than the cost savings that swing it for us.
I think that you also have to look at other factors in addition to the
potentially lower call charges using VoIP.
If you are paying for services such as 'call waiting', divert service
etc. then you can save by switching to VoIP because these services are
supplied as standard by many VoIP providers.
I don't have a landline - I prefer VoIP even against having a landline
provided free. If I had a VM line I would never use it becasue their
calls are way too expensive and it is necessary to call an 0808 number
to access 18185 etc. That is a mild inconvenience, when compared to a
BT line, where a dialler box can more readily be used. A friend of
mine has a VM line but he doesn't use it, he, like me, prefers to use
VoIP because of the flexibility and integrated services.
Mark Carver wrote:
> Now and again I look seriously at the viability of using voip rather
> than POTS.
> Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums
> very wrong ?
No your sums look fine. VOIP it not all about cheap calls, the advertisers
just make it look that way. Its more about choice and flexibility. I'd love
to use VOIP at home cos I'm a techie but as I don't pay a bean for my
calls as they are all free with my broadband account I use the PSTN. We
use VOIP in the office internally with ISDN for our main lines. We need
reliable comms and ADSL has no service level agreement. Calls to mobiles
are routed over a VOIP provider for lower rates thogh.
Flexibility means that I have an IP phone on my desk at home which is
connected to my office PBX over a VPN. I can make business calls from
home which are sent out via the office ISDN lines and billed to the
business directly.
<rant mode>Any business that relies on its phones and uses VOIP over
ADSL as it's only carrier needs its head examined</rant mode>
mymail@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:20:04 +0000, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>> Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
>> wrong ?
> A certain person will be along shortly saying you can have many lines
> with VOIP for practically nothing but someone in their right mind
> would not want numerous lines apart for that point with all the free
> calls and free minutes that are around these days voip is no longer
> needed at all in order to save money. You get better quality calls
> via a fixed line has I found out when I went back to BT .
Not if you regularly phone mobiles, voip can be a huge cost saver!
On Feb 17, 9:55*am, mym...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:20:04 +0000, Mark Carver
>
> <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
> >wrong ?
>
> A certain person will be along shortly saying you can have many lines
> with VOIP for practically nothing but someone in their right mind
> would not want numerous lines apart for that point with all the free
> calls and free minutes that are around these days voip is no longer
> needed at all in order to save money. *You get better quality calls
> via a fixed line *has I found out when I went back to BT .
That certain person has credibility because he can, at least, write in
English.
>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:52:06 -0800 (PST), Adrian
><adrian_h_hudson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 17, 9:55*am, mym...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:20:04 +0000, Mark Carver
>>>
>>> <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> >Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
>>> >wrong ?
>>>
>>> A certain person will be along shortly saying you can have many lines
>>> with VOIP for practically nothing but someone in their right mind
>>> would not want numerous lines apart for that point with all the free
>>> calls and free minutes that are around these days voip is no longer
>>> needed at all in order to save money. *You get better quality calls
>>> via a fixed line *has I found out when I went back to BT .
>>
>>That certain person has credibility because he can, at least, write in
>>English.
>>
>>Adrian
>Since when as there been a need for a dozen GCE's and ten uni degrees
> before anyone can post in a poxy news group sorry FORUM ?, if you
>don't like it then do the other I just do not give a damn life is far
>to short to bother about you and people like you .
He didn't say it was needed in order to post, he said writing good
English gives you credibility, which it does.
"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
news:12nkr3d59efs749ctivcnhhkrt7t7jhqvd@4ax.com
: : On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:51:23 GMT, mymail@hotmail.com
: : wrote:
[snip]
: : : Since when as there been a need for a dozen GCE's and
: : : ten uni degrees before anyone can post in a poxy news
: : : group sorry FORUM ?, if you don't like it then do the
: : : other I just do not give a damn life is far to short
: : : to bother about you and people like you .
: :
: : He didn't say it was needed in order to post, he said
: : writing good English gives you credibility, which it
: : does.
Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post here, Ron.
Although thinking about it, the first part of that idea does have a
certain fascination.....
In message <61vjumF20f7d9U1@mid.individual.net>
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post here, Ron.
>
> Although thinking about it, the first part of that idea does have a
> certain fascination.....
On Feb 19, 12:20*pm, Dave Higton <davehig...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> In message <61vjumF20f7d...@mid.individual.net>
> * * * * * "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post here, Ron.
>
> > Although thinking about it, the first part of that idea does have a
> > certain fascination.....
>
> Steady on, or there'll be a queue...
>
> Dave
In message <8d0ad971-dcf0-4d22-bd13-1cf5888c8d3d@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
Adrian <adrian_h_hudson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 12:20*pm, Dave Higton <davehig...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > In message <61vjumF20f7d...@mid.individual.net>
> > * * * * * "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post here, Ron.
> >
> > > Although thinking about it, the first part of that idea does have a
> > > certain fascination.....
> >
> > Steady on, or there'll be a queue...
> >
> > Dave
>
> Na, Ron's not worth the time.
"Adrian" <adrian_h_hudson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8d0ad971-dcf0-4d22-bd13-1cf5888c8d3d@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com
: On Feb 19, 12:20 pm, Dave Higton
: <davehig...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
: : In message <61vjumF20f7d...@mid.individual.net>
: : "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : : Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you
: : : to post here, Ron.
: :
: : : Although thinking about it, the first part of that
: : : idea does have a certain fascination.....
: :
: : Steady on, or there'll be a queue...
: :
: : Dave
:
: Na, Ron's not worth the time.
Its not cheap its free..why u guys buy credits to make voip
calls..just use some free offers by the voip providers..many of them
are giving away free calls..also u may use some hacks to make free
calls..
you may try searching for free pc to phone calls..on google..
you may try softwares like..globe7,webcalldirect, use jaxtr
tricks,workarounds..
or you may visit www.freepctophonecalls.blogspot.com to get the hcaks
to make free calls..or directly visit the websites..
On Feb 20, 4:27 am, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> "Adrian" <adrian_h_hud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8d0ad971-dcf0-4d22-bd13-1cf5888c8d3d@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com
> : On Feb 19, 12:20 pm, Dave Higton: <davehig...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> : : In message <61vjumF20f7d...@mid.individual.net>
> : : "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> : :
> : : : Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you
> : : : to post here, Ron.
> : :
> : : : Although thinking about it, the first part of that
> : : : idea does have a certain fascination.....
> : :
> : : Steady on, or there'll be a queue...
> : :
> : : Dave
> :
> : Na, Ron's not worth the time.
>
> He's worth the time, but not the jail sentence.
>
> Ivor
<rajat.bhatia1721@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15280191-cc88-409d-8dd3-11402519bd28@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com
: > Its not cheap its free..why u guys buy credits to make
: > voip calls..just use some free offers by the voip
: > providers..many of them are giving away free
: > calls..also u may use some hacks to make free calls..
: > you may try searching for free pc to phone calls..on
: > google..
: > you may try softwares like..globe7,webcalldirect, use
: > jaxtr tricks,workarounds..
: > or you may visit www.loadofbollocks.blogspot.com to
: > get the hcaks to make free calls..or directly visit the
: > websites..
voip: Is it actually cheaper ? 
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