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Old 08-29-2006, 10:45 PM
benn686@hotmail.com
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Default Voip adapter

Im looking for an adapter to use with my regular phone (preferably an
adapter that plugs in directly to the network without having to be
plugged into the computer) but one that supports both standards (skype
and sip). Does such a product exist???

Since the provider's rates are different based on where you are calling
to, do these adapters allow you to have more than one SIP provider at a
time?

Also, in case Google (or Yahoo) ever offers a 'phone out' service,
does GoogleTalk currently use a non-standard protocol?


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Old 08-29-2006, 11:19 PM
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<benn686@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156891520.377401.198740@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Im looking for an adapter to use with my regular phone (preferably an
> adapter that plugs in directly to the network without having to be
> plugged into the computer) but one that supports both standards (skype
> and sip). Does such a product exist???
>
> Since the provider's rates are different based on where you are calling
> to, do these adapters allow you to have more than one SIP provider at a
> time?
>
> Also, in case Google (or Yahoo) ever offers a 'phone out' service,
> does GoogleTalk currently use a non-standard protocol?



Read the thread entitled "which ATA" in this group, started 26/8/06.

I noticed you are posting via Google Groups, don't you have access to
a proper NNTP server and newsreader?
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Old 08-30-2006, 08:13 AM
Hana
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Hi Graham,
I'm also posting through Google groups, what do you mean by a ''proper
NNTP server and newsreader'', is there a better way?
Thanks
Hana

Graham wrote:
> <benn686@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Read the thread entitled "which ATA" in this group, started 26/8/06.
>
> I noticed you are posting via Google Groups, don't you have access to
> a proper NNTP server and newsreader?
> --
>
> Graham.
> %Profound_observation%



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Old 08-30-2006, 09:08 AM
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On 30 Aug 2006 01:13:15 -0700, "Hana" <shirley@miraage.com> wrote:

>Hi Graham,
>I'm also posting through Google groups, what do you mean by a ''proper
>NNTP server and newsreader'', is there a better way?
>Thanks
>Hana
>
>Graham wrote:
>> <benn686@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> Read the thread entitled "which ATA" in this group, started 26/8/06.
>>
>> I noticed you are posting via Google Groups, don't you have access to
>> a proper NNTP server and newsreader?

Yes. You can see all the various newsgroups that your ISP permits on
desktop newsreading software.
I don't know about Microsoft stuff because I have never used it.
I use Agent. Unfortunately it is no longer free.
If, like me you use Firefox, then you might also use the Thunderbird
email client. Afaik it can also do usenet - it is free and open
source.
Check out
http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/


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Old 08-30-2006, 02:59 PM
Graham
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"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 30 Aug 2006 01:13:15 -0700, "Hana" <shirley@miraage.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi Graham,
>>I'm also posting through Google groups, what do you mean by a ''proper
>>NNTP server and newsreader'', is there a better way?
>>Thanks
>>Hana
>>
>>Graham wrote:
>>> <benn686@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> Read the thread entitled "which ATA" in this group, started 26/8/06.
>>>
>>> I noticed you are posting via Google Groups, don't you have access to
>>> a proper NNTP server and newsreader?

> Yes. You can see all the various newsgroups that your ISP permits on
> desktop newsreading software.
> I don't know about Microsoft stuff because I have never used it.
> I use Agent. Unfortunately it is no longer free.
> If, like me you use Firefox, then you might also use the Thunderbird
> email client. Afaik it can also do usenet - it is free and open
> source.
> Check out
> http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/


What Brian "claims" he is unaware of, is that Outlook Express is a
Newsreader. Much maligned by the Usenet elite, but infinitely better
than Google Groups for reading and contributing to active threads.

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Old 08-30-2006, 03:51 PM
Hana
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I use Outlook for my emails, does this also act as a newsreader?

Are there any other free good ones?

Thank

Graham wrote:
> "Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hokaf29g87nfob297b95pat97bkhr6fspp@4ax.com...
> > On 30 Aug 2006 01:13:15 -0700, "Hana" <shirley@miraage.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Graham,
> >>I'm also posting through Google groups, what do you mean by a ''proper
> >>NNTP server and newsreader'', is there a better way?
> >>Thanks
> >>Hana
> >>
> >>Graham wrote:
> >>> <benn686@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Read the thread entitled "which ATA" in this group, started 26/8/06.
> >>>
> >>> I noticed you are posting via Google Groups, don't you have access to
> >>> a proper NNTP server and newsreader?

> > Yes. You can see all the various newsgroups that your ISP permits on
> > desktop newsreading software.
> > I don't know about Microsoft stuff because I have never used it.
> > I use Agent. Unfortunately it is no longer free.
> > If, like me you use Firefox, then you might also use the Thunderbird
> > email client. Afaik it can also do usenet - it is free and open
> > source.
> > Check out
> > http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

>
> What Brian "claims" he is unaware of, is that Outlook Express is a
> Newsreader. Much maligned by the Usenet elite, but infinitely better
> than Google Groups for reading and contributing to active threads.
>
> --
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> Graham.
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Old 08-30-2006, 04:39 PM
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"Hana" <shirley@miraage.com> wrote in message
news:1156953064.666269.128350@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com
> I use Outlook for my emails, does this also act as a
> newsreader?
>
> Are there any other free good ones?


There is a difference between Outlook and Outlook Express. Outlook does
not have a news client whereas OE does.

BTW it would be appreciated if you would not top post, many thanks.
Snip/trim and post at the bottom as I have done is the generally accepted
way in most groups.

Ivor



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Old 08-30-2006, 06:35 PM
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<m.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:39:53 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "Hana" <shirley@miraage.com> wrote in message
> > news:1156953064.666269.128350@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com
> > > I use Outlook for my emails, does this also act as a
> > > newsreader?
> > >
> > > Are there any other free good ones?

> >
> > There is a difference between Outlook and Outlook
> > Express. Outlook does not have a news client whereas OE
> > does.
> >
> > BTW it would be appreciated if you would not top post,
> > many thanks. Snip/trim and post at the bottom as I have
> > done is the generally accepted way in most groups.

> I do not like top posting Ivor but I do not rant and rave
> at people who do top post like you continually do .


Not continually, only when necessary. BTW how was what I said ranting and
raving..?

Anyway, the words pot, kettle and black spring to mind when thinking of
ranting/raving and you.

Back in your box, Ron.

Ivor



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Old 08-30-2006, 09:05 PM
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Sorry for an off topic question, but I've downloaded Agent newsreader
to try it and it asks for the name of the news server, I entered
uk.telecom.voip but that doesn't work. ( Yes, I know it's a stupid
question ) but what name do I put down for the server for this
newsgroup?
Thanks
Ivor: Sorry for top posting, I didn't know the right way to post in
these groups, hopefully I'll get it right from now on.


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Old 08-30-2006, 09:21 PM
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> Sorry for an off topic question, but I've downloaded Agent newsreader
> to try it and it asks for the name of the news server, I entered
> uk.telecom.voip but that doesn't work. ( Yes, I know it's a stupid
> question ) but what name do I put down for the server for this
> newsgroup?
> Thanks



I think your ISP is BT Openworld or BT Internet so you probably have access
to

news.btinternet.com

Try that as the server name and you should be able to download a list
of thousands of groups, and you can select the ones that you want to
"subscribe" to.
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Old 08-30-2006, 09:49 PM
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<m.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:35:50 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> > Anyway, the words pot, kettle and black spring to mind
> > when thinking of ranting/raving and you.

> One needs to rant and rave when it comes to a certain
> FOREIGN service provider .


Ah, you never let us down, do you Ron..?!

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Old 08-30-2006, 10:41 PM
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Ivor: I have one question for you about the Fritzbox.
Is it possible to use the Fritzbox Fon ata using an existing router and
ADSL modem ?

Thanks


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Old 08-30-2006, 10:47 PM
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"Hana" <shirley@miraage.com> wrote in message
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> Ivor: I have one question for you about the Fritzbox.
> Is it possible to use the Fritzbox Fon ata using an
> existing router and ADSL modem ?
>
> Thanks


Assuming you are talking about the plain ATA, yes. Most models have a
built in ADSL modem and router, which although they can be disabled, does
make it rather pointless..!

Be aware though that you won't get QoS (Quality of Service) with an ATA
into a separate router. This could have an impact on call quality if a
heavy download or similar is taking place at the same time.

My advice is to go for the all-in-one device, you can always do what I did
and keep your existing modem/router as a spare in case of failure.

Ivor





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Old 08-31-2006, 08:47 AM
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On 30 Aug 2006 08:51:04 -0700, "Hana" <shirley@miraage.com> wrote:

>I use Outlook for my emails, does this also act as a newsreader?
>
>Are there any other free good ones?


Yes, as in my previous post...
Here is the download page for Thunderbird and other Mozilla products.
http://www.mozilla.org/download.html
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Old 08-31-2006, 10:33 AM
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Brian A wrote:
> On 30 Aug 2006 08:51:04 -0700, "Hana" <shirley@miraage.com> wrote:
>
> >I use Outlook for my emails, does this also act as a newsreader?
> >
> >Are there any other free good ones?

>
> Yes, as in my previous post...
> Here is the download page for Thunderbird and other Mozilla products.
> http://www.mozilla.org/download.html


The Opera browser has a newsreader. It's also free.
www.opera.com


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Old 08-31-2006, 04:34 PM
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Ivor Jones wrote:

> Be aware though that you won't get QoS (Quality of Service) with an ATA
> into a separate router. This could have an impact on call quality if a
> heavy download or similar is taking place at the same time.


If your separate router has configurable QoS, then you will.

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Old 09-01-2006, 01:16 AM
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"alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> > Be aware though that you won't get QoS (Quality of
> > Service) with an ATA into a separate router. This could
> > have an impact on call quality if a heavy download or
> > similar is taking place at the same time.

>
> If your separate router has configurable QoS, then you
> will.


True enough, but the majority don't.

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