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Old 08-23-2005, 09:59 AM
Mark Adamson
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Do you think this will be enough for a VoIP line?

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/sp...546a6453f622af

teehee



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Old 08-23-2005, 10:03 AM
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"Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
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> Do you think this will be enough for a VoIP line?
>
> http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/sp...546a6453f622af
>
> teehee


At the risk of encouraging a troll.

Are you serious? You can run VOIP on a 56K modem successfully.



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Old 08-23-2005, 10:09 AM
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F9 wrote:
> "Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
> news:dees1a$e96$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk...
> > Do you think this will be enough for a VoIP line?
> >
> > http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/sp...546a6453f622af
> >
> > teehee

>
> At the risk of encouraging a troll.
>
> Are you serious? You can run VOIP on a 56K modem successfully.


Depending on the codec you use of course

Mat


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Old 08-23-2005, 10:37 AM
Mark Adamson
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"F9" <Me@freeinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1124791533.7ae14f7b9a418402acb6ef056116f3fd@t eranews...
> "Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
> news:dees1a$e96$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk...
>> Do you think this will be enough for a VoIP line?
>>
>> http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/sp...546a6453f622af
>>
>> teehee

>
> At the risk of encouraging a troll.
>
> Are you serious? You can run VOIP on a 56K modem successfully.
>


does being a little sarcastic count as being a troll? :) Sorry, I couldn't
help it.

I was really just showing off the uni connection, which I have yet to find a
particularly good use for other than downloading linux dvds (which funnily
take longer to copy from the browser temp dir to the save location than they
do to download into the temp dir in the first place).

End of OT sillyness



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Old 08-23-2005, 10:38 AM
Sean
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Mark Adamson wrote:

>
> I was really just showing off the uni connection, which I have yet to find a
> particularly good use for other than downloading linux dvds (which funnily
> take longer to copy from the browser temp dir to the save location than they
> do to download into the temp dir in the first place).
>
> End of OT sillyness
>
>

If you use firefox it downloads straight to the directry you want
without using the browser cache..... And is faster :)

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Old 08-23-2005, 11:00 AM
Shane Carpenter
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>>> Mark Adamson<fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> 23/08/2005 10:59 >>>
>Do you think this will be enough for a VoIP line?


>http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/sp...546a6453f622af


>teehee


32mb down and 5mb up, you might struggle with voip on that kind of low bandwidth line ;)





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Old 08-23-2005, 11:11 AM
Shane Carpenter
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>>> Mark Adamson<fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> 23/08/2005 11:37 >>>
>I was really just showing off the uni connection, which I have yet to find a
>particularly good use for other than downloading linux dvds (which funnily
>take longer to copy from the browser temp dir to the save location than they
>do to download into the temp dir in the first place).


Wow, that's a slow Janet link, my friend is an IT manager at a uni with a 100mb Internet pipe :)


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Old 08-23-2005, 12:29 PM
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"Shane Carpenter" <news@shanes_replace_nospam_with_org.nospam> wrote in
message news:430b045d$0$2497$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>>> Mark Adamson<fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> 23/08/2005 11:37 >>>

>>I was really just showing off the uni connection, which I have yet to find
>>a
>>particularly good use for other than downloading linux dvds (which funnily
>>take longer to copy from the browser temp dir to the save location than
>>they
>>do to download into the temp dir in the first place).

>
> Wow, that's a slow Janet link, my friend is an IT manager at a uni with a
> 100mb Internet pipe :)
>


I expect they split it up depending on who you are, that speed test was in
the library, last time I checked in halls we 'only' get up to an 8meg chunk,
though that was 3 years ago, I shall know better in October.



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Old 08-23-2005, 12:30 PM
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"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mark Adamson wrote:
>
>>
>> I was really just showing off the uni connection, which I have yet to
>> find a
>> particularly good use for other than downloading linux dvds (which
>> funnily
>> take longer to copy from the browser temp dir to the save location than
>> they
>> do to download into the temp dir in the first place).
>>
>> End of OT sillyness

> If you use firefox it downloads straight to the directry you want without
> using the browser cache..... And is faster :)


Since then I have converted :) and am very happy with my mouse gestures and
middle click and uniformity accross OS etc etc



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Old 08-23-2005, 12:32 PM
Sean
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Mark Adamson wrote:

> Since then I have converted :) and am very happy with my mouse gestures and
> middle click and uniformity accross OS etc etc
>


I don't know what you mean about your mouse gestures..... But anyway...
Firefox is a cool browser

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Old 08-23-2005, 12:52 PM
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"Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Shane Carpenter" <news@shanes_replace_nospam_with_org.nospam> wrote in
> message news:430b045d$0$2497$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> >>>> Mark Adamson<fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> 23/08/2005 11:37 >>>
> >>I was really just showing off the uni connection, which I have yet to

find
> >>a
> >>particularly good use for other than downloading linux dvds (which

funnily
> >>take longer to copy from the browser temp dir to the save location than
> >>they
> >>do to download into the temp dir in the first place).

> >
> > Wow, that's a slow Janet link, my friend is an IT manager at a uni with

a
> > 100mb Internet pipe :)


most of the big pipes in the UK academic network are 10G - so you are "only"
getting a small chunk.

the bandwidth you get will be limited by which Uni and any bandwidth
limiting they do.

Network map for JANet:
http://www.janet.ac.uk/about/topolog...eschematic.pdf


> >

>
> I expect they split it up depending on who you are, that speed test was in
> the library, last time I checked in halls we 'only' get up to an 8meg

chunk,
> though that was 3 years ago, I shall know better in October.

--
Regards

Stephen Hope - return address needs fewer xxs



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Old 08-23-2005, 01:09 PM
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"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mark Adamson wrote:
>
>> Since then I have converted :) and am very happy with my mouse gestures
>> and middle click and uniformity accross OS etc etc

>
> I don't know what you mean about your mouse gestures..... But anyway...
> Firefox is a cool browser


One firefox extension among many

https://addons.mozilla.org/extension...info.php?id=12



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Old 08-23-2005, 01:19 PM
Mark Adamson
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>
> most of the big pipes in the UK academic network are 10G - so you are
> "only"
> getting a small chunk.
>
> the bandwidth you get will be limited by which Uni and any bandwidth
> limiting they do.
>
> Network map for JANet:
> http://www.janet.ac.uk/about/topolog...eschematic.pdf
>
>

That diagram seems to show that most unis would get up to 622Mbit, eg. ones
coming off MidMan like we do.

Also, the "external links" one is 622Mbit, which I presume is the internet
and there are two of them being shared among all.

But I have probably misunderstood it a little



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Old 08-23-2005, 02:16 PM
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"Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
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>
> "F9" <Me@freeinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1124791533.7ae14f7b9a418402acb6ef056116f3fd@t eranews...
>> "Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
>> news:dees1a$e96$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk...
>>> Do you think this will be enough for a VoIP line?
>>>
>>> http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/sp...546a6453f622af
>>>
>>> teehee

>>
>> At the risk of encouraging a troll.
>>
>> Are you serious? You can run VOIP on a 56K modem successfully.
>>

>
> does being a little sarcastic count as being a troll? :) Sorry, I couldn't
> help it.
>
> I was really just showing off the uni connection, which I have yet to find
> a
> particularly good use for other than downloading linux dvds (which funnily
> take longer to copy from the browser temp dir to the save location than
> they
> do to download into the temp dir in the first place).
>
> End of OT sillyness


Are you sure your uni allows this? Most Uk uni's frown on any high bandwidth
usage and will seek you out....



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Old 08-23-2005, 02:34 PM
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>>
>> does being a little sarcastic count as being a troll? :) Sorry, I
>> couldn't
>> help it.
>>
>> I was really just showing off the uni connection, which I have yet to
>> find a
>> particularly good use for other than downloading linux dvds (which
>> funnily
>> take longer to copy from the browser temp dir to the save location than
>> they
>> do to download into the temp dir in the first place).
>>
>> End of OT sillyness

>
> Are you sure your uni allows this? Most Uk uni's frown on any high
> bandwidth usage and will seek you out....


the linux dvd downloading? Yeah, they are really good about that kind of
stuff. Its not like there is one to download every day or anything like
that.

As I said somewhere else, they don't even block p2p but just put it in the
lowest priority bit of their traffic shaper, which I believe makes it
unbearably slow. I'm sure soon, with all these lawsuits, they will start
cracking down on illegal stuff, but they would definitely not frown at linux
downloading as it creates more intelligent students! (apart from me).

I just hope SIP/RTP is up in the priority list, cos I've invested in the
sipura and dect phones already :-S



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Old 08-23-2005, 03:12 PM
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"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mark Adamson wrote:
>
> > Since then I have converted :) and am very happy with
> > my mouse gestures and middle click and uniformity
> > accross OS etc etc

>
> I don't know what you mean about your mouse gestures.....
> But anyway... Firefox is a cool browser


Reminds me of Netscape, any common origins..?

Ivor



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Old 08-23-2005, 03:17 PM
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"Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > most of the big pipes in the UK academic network are 10G - so you are
> > "only"
> > getting a small chunk.
> >
> > the bandwidth you get will be limited by which Uni and any bandwidth
> > limiting they do.
> >
> > Network map for JANet:
> > http://www.janet.ac.uk/about/topolog...eschematic.pdf
> >
> >

> That diagram seems to show that most unis would get up to 622Mbit, eg.

ones
> coming off MidMan like we do.
>
> Also, the "external links" one is 622Mbit, which I presume is the internet
> and there are two of them being shared among all.


i dont think that diagram shows the external links or speeds - try
http://www.janet.ac.uk/about/topolog...ththeworld.pdf

the peering policy documents the links they are willing to publish info
about:
http://www.janet.ac.uk/services/netw...nectivity.html

the aggregate is around 40 Gbps, but you would never get near that in
practice, since the traffic distribution would not match the link
bandwidths.

the dates go back a fair way so some links may have been upgraded since.
>
> But I have probably misunderstood it a little

--
Regards

Stephen Hope - return address needs fewer xxs



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Old 08-23-2005, 05:31 PM
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Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:def51b$7vp$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
>>Mark Adamson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Since then I have converted :) and am very happy with
>>>my mouse gestures and middle click and uniformity
>>>accross OS etc etc

>>
>>I don't know what you mean about your mouse gestures.....
>>But anyway... Firefox is a cool browser

>
>
> Reminds me of Netscape, any common origins..?
>
> Ivor
>

Err yeah, Firefox is derived from Mozilla, the open source project that
came from Netscape.

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Old 08-23-2005, 06:10 PM
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Thomas Rankin wrote:

>> Reminds me of Netscape, any common origins..?
>>
>> Ivor
>>

> Err yeah, Firefox is derived from Mozilla, the open source project that
> came from Netscape.


Could not have said it better myself

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