i have always foud the plethora of mobile deals confusing and
hard to workout best value .............
VOIPS even more confusing ,ther seems to be a collection of
companies offering service but everyone seems to have a mixed views
on them , i see a compnay with good reviews then days later someones
tearing them apart ....there doesnt seem to be any clear winner at the
moment ..... maybe the markets not mature enough yet ? would youagree ?
Except maybe SKYPE ..i say this mainly as its the only well known brand
in the market ... but i get the general feeling its the AOL of the viop
market
...maybe along the lines of Viop for dummies ...or thats the impression some
people give ...its easy to set up and use but never best value ? and due to
its
popularity with the dummies its service can be erratic ?
Also is viop really a service you should only set up and useif you REALLY
have
a need for it ..one thing that confuses me is the costs ......... calls
arent really free
are they and landline/mobile calls are so cheap now theres no REAL saving is
there?
if yourplanning to keep your exisitng land line and mobile ?
Phew .. services ! theres seems to be plethora of services available but no
one
central place thats list available services so you can try and guage what
services
you might need ? nothing worse than signing up for aservice to read about
feature you would reallylike
I have a small list of my OWN must haves at the moment ..anyone know a
decent
company that can suffice
1. ability to prepay by paypal
2. no monthly service charge
3. good rates
4. no contract
5. ability to choose a local number
6. multiple numbers to 1 viop line
7.different rings for different numbers
8. ability to port in Bt numbers
an collection of othr features i dont know i need yt likely
Well, yes, there are lots of deals and largely thanks to Betamax, it is a
major pain to try to work out which one to go for. Then there are all sorts
of cheap deals on landline calls too, making any savings via VoIP fairly
minimal.
And most of us have mobile contract deal too.
In my own (fairly special) case, (I don't have a landline :-) I gave up on
Betamax etc. and just stick with
sipgate.co.uk.
It gives me rental free UK geo. landline No., I use it for 0800 calls,
infrequent foreign calls, and of course free calls to other VoIP users.
It works just fine ( I have QoS VoIP router ) and I pay very little (just
for the foreign calls).
It easily covers 'Homeworker's' first 5 points.
6. can have multiple sipgate Nos, but needs hardware (e.g. suitable router)
to ring one phone.
7. can be done with some hardware, or asterix.
8. no one can do that at present
"Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
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> Well, yes, there are lots of deals and largely thanks to Betamax, it
> is a major pain to try to work out which one to go for. Then there are
> all sorts of cheap deals on landline calls too, making any savings via
> VoIP fairly minimal.
> And most of us have mobile contract deal too.
>
> In my own (fairly special) case, (I don't have a landline :-) I gave
> up on Betamax etc. and just stick with
> sipgate.co.uk.
> It gives me rental free UK geo. landline No., I use it for 0800
> calls, infrequent foreign calls, and of course free calls to other
> VoIP users.
> It works just fine ( I have QoS VoIP router ) and I pay very little
> (just for the foreign calls).
>
> It easily covers 'Homeworker's' first 5 points.
> 6. can have multiple sipgate Nos, but needs hardware (e.g. suitable
> router) to ring one phone.
> 7. can be done with some hardware, or asterix.
> 8. no one can do that at present
>
Likewise with voip.co.uk - 'cept they don't participate in inter-voip
dialling by access code, so the only free calls are to other voip.co.uk
users.
To the OP - note that it is voip, not viop. (Yes, I've got a dyslexic
keybrod as well!)
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:02:34 +0000, Homeworker wrote:
> is it just me or is voip confusing .......
>
> i have always foud the plethora of mobile deals confusing and hard to
> workout best value .............
And if things were simple you'd be whinging about the lack of choice :-)
> VOIPS even more confusing ,ther seems to be a collection of companies
> offering service but everyone seems to have a mixed views on them , i
> see a compnay with good reviews then days later someones tearing them
> apart ....there doesnt seem to be any clear winner at the moment .....
That's the trouble with opinions, they're like assholes - everyone's got
one.
> maybe the markets not mature enough yet ? would youagree ?
Not at all. I suspect, however, that calls will effectively be unmetered
when bundled with mobile, fixed line and broadband contracts before VoIP
ever reaches a large part of the population, effectively eliminating or
even negating the cost savings.
> Except maybe SKYPE ..i say this mainly as its the only well known
> brand in the market ... but i get the general feeling its the AOL of the
> viop market
> ..maybe along the lines of Viop for dummies ...or thats the impression
> some people give ...its easy to set up and use but never best value ?
> and due to its popularity with the dummies its service can be erratic ?
Skype always worked when I used it. I stopped using it because I moved to
64-bit before they had a 64-bit version. When I finally did install it
again, they'd wiped my credit [but not, er, closed my account]. My advice
is to give any of the eBay group of companies a wide berth, and if you
absolutely have to use them, only trust them with small amounts of money.
> Also is viop really a service you should only set up and useif you
> REALLY have
> a need for it ..one thing that confuses me is the costs ......... calls
> arent really free
> are they and landline/mobile calls are so cheap now theres no REAL
> saving is there?
Once you factor in equipment costs, it may take a loooong time to see a
return on your investment. If, however, you're doing it just for a bit of
fun, or to fulfil a specific need that existing PSTN services cannot,
then go for it.
> if yourplanning to keep your exisitng land line and mobile ?
If you've got a BT landline you can use access codes and call throughs
that will get you rates competitive with VoIP.
> Phew .. services ! theres seems to be plethora of services available
> but no one
> central place thats list available services so you can try and guage
> whatbothering to services
> you might need ? nothing worse than signing up for aservice to read
> about feature you would reallylike
There are plenty of things worse than that. The trick is to do your
research before you commit too much. The beauty of SIP is that any SIP
equipment/software should work with any SIP provider, so your main
capital costs will be protected should you decide to switch supplier.
Many services are PAYG anyway so it's not like you've got a lot to lose.
And you can even use a softphone to prototype it on your PC before you
spend anything.
> I have a small list of my OWN must haves at the moment ..anyone know a
> decent
> company that can suffice
>
>
> 1. ability to prepay by paypal
If you drop this one you'll get a wider choice.
> 2. no monthly service charge
> 3. good rates
> 4. no contract
> 5. ability to choose a local number
> 6. multiple numbers to 1 viop line
I suggest you use hardware or software that allows you to register
multiple accounts. This will bring you flexibility on pricing, call
routing &c.
> 7.different rings for different numbers
In theory it can be done with SIP, but I haven't seen any service
providers that offer it. OTOH, I've never looked.
> 8. ability to port in Bt numbers
Plenty of operators can do that.
> an collection of othr features i dont know i need yt likely
That's a tough one to answer.
Sipgate fits the bill for most of your requirements. If you mix and match
from different service providers you will get better control over call
costs. VoIP certainly makes more sense on Cable where a) you don't have
to pay line rental to have broadband and b) the call costs are eye-
watering.
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In article <13o5qc6909p6v01@corp.supernews.com>,
Martin² <never@give.one> wrote:
>8. no one can do that at present
the OP's No. 8 was:
>> 8. ability to port in Bt numbers
And your claim that no-one can do it is quite wrong, as several VoIP
providers have the ability to do this, either directly or via their
wholesale upstreams...
However, I'd suggest that it's not a "domestic" service but more of a
"business" service, so you ought to be prepared to pay for it.
Re: voip - - confused u will be !/ your small list
Dear Homeworker
You should also consider the types of support and location of the
providers infrastructure as these might be more important than the other
items on your list such as price. So best is to test a few for quality
(as experienced by you over your connection) and support.
As per your last line some other feature may well factor in, for example
virtual fax services (which we do with VoIP accounts).
Regards
Stephen
Homeworker wrote:
p
>
>
> I have a small list of my OWN must haves at the moment ..anyone know a
> decent
> company that can suffice
>
>
> 1. ability to prepay by paypal
> 2. no monthly service charge
> 3. good rates
> 4. no contract
> 5. ability to choose a local number
> 6. multiple numbers to 1 viop line
> 7.different rings for different numbers
> 8. ability to port in Bt numbers
>
> an collection of othr features i dont know i need yt likely
>
>
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:02:34 GMT, "Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com>
wrote:
>are they and landline/mobile calls are so cheap now theres no REAL saving is
>there?if yourplanning to keep your exisitng land line and mobile ?
No saving at all I have 500 free minutes airtime on my mobile and have
never come close to the 500 yet .
VOIP was just a gimmick to encourage people to spend money on ATA's
etc in the first instance and to avoid extortionate BT call charges
but now with all the free mobile minutes that are around and services
like 18866.com who provide a Geo number to call via mobile there
really isn't any need for voip at all .
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:02:34 GMT, "Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>are they and landline/mobile calls are so cheap now theres no REAL
>>saving is there?if yourplanning to keep your exisitng land line and
>>mobile ?
> No saving at all I have 500 free minutes airtime on my mobile and have
> never come close to the 500 yet .
> VOIP was just a gimmick to encourage people to spend money on ATA's
> etc in the first instance and to avoid extortionate BT call charges
> but now with all the free mobile minutes that are around and services
> like 18866.com who provide a Geo number to call via mobile there
> really isn't any need for voip at all .
>
You will be struck down for heresay!
But.... I fear you are right. For most home users - let me repeat that
- for Most Home Users - voip is a technology solution looking for a
question.
The call charges are not competitive when you look at all the other
packages available (mobile / landline); the technology is unweildy
(unless you buy a locked ATA); the call quality can be flaky (unless you
have the nouce to be able to deal with the hardware).
I suspect voip's time will come, but it's not now!
"Mike the unimaginative" <Youremail@nospam.here> wrote in message
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> mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote in
> news:au17o3dbukadg0a2oss37f7c9p9gnbepen@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:02:34 GMT, "Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>are they and landline/mobile calls are so cheap now theres no REAL
>>>saving is there?if yourplanning to keep your exisitng land line and
>>>mobile ?
>> No saving at all I have 500 free minutes airtime on my mobile and have
>> never come close to the 500 yet .
>> VOIP was just a gimmick to encourage people to spend money on ATA's
>> etc in the first instance and to avoid extortionate BT call charges
>> but now with all the free mobile minutes that are around and services
>> like 18866.com who provide a Geo number to call via mobile there
>> really isn't any need for voip at all .
>>
> You will be struck down for heresay!
> But.... I fear you are right. For most home users - let me repeat that
> - for Most Home Users - voip is a technology solution looking for a
> question.
> The call charges are not competitive when you look at all the other
> packages available (mobile / landline); the technology is unweildy
> (unless you buy a locked ATA); the call quality can be flaky (unless you
> have the nouce to be able to deal with the hardware).
> I suspect voip's time will come, but it's not now!
I don't know about other users, but for me it IS a question of cost. I am
sure that I could get a similar sort of costing through various override
codes on a standard fixed line + mobile. However I find it a lot easier
(and actually cheaper in my set-up) to get technology to do the hard bit of
least cost routing. Oh and I forgot all the benefits you don't get with
conventional services (call forking conditional divert, ...) or other
services you pay through the nose for (ACR, call blocking).
I agree with you though that the technology is unweildy, and that is a big
factor in what is stopping it becoming mainstream. However the likes of
Tesco and Vonage are the ones that will make it mainstream. Unfortunately
Skype destroys that to some extent (and yes Skype is VOIP, unfortunately)
because people see VOIP as a softphone, with all the restrictions that
gives.
Not quite heresy, but an opinion I don't entirely agree with!
> But.... I fear you are right. For most home users - let me repeat that
> - for Most Home Users - voip is a technology solution looking for a
> question.
If you really can't see the advantages, you can't use telephones much.
VOIP allows you to have multiple lines without extra line rental, free
call forwarding and call forking. It allows you to take your number with
you when you move - to anywhere in the world. It
> The call charges are not competitive when you look at all the other
> packages available (mobile / landline);
Nothing like true.
> the technology is unweildy
> (unless you buy a locked ATA);
Rubbish. You can buy devices ready set up but not locked. You can easily
set up devices. For example, look at the help that Sipgate gives: shows
you exactly what to put in for laods of different devices.
> the call quality can be flaky (unless you
> have the nouce to be able to deal with the hardware).
Well, the same can be said of tin openers. If you don't know how to use
it, it won't work.
> I suspect voip's time will come, but it's not now!
Suspect? I've got news for you, sunshine. POTS is obsolete and BT are in
the process of replacing the whole lot of it with VOIP. They wouldn't do
that without good reason.
I was in a shop and it had a VOIP phone for £6 .. jeex just
gotta try it , soooo I have plugged it in .. it actually works !
The phone forces sign up to SKYPE , now done and
the line is incredibly clear , its better than my standard
phone line ... so i am impressed with VOIP ...now for
the learning curve though ...
now i signed up for account with skype but
didnt actually give htem ny money or card details
So who can i sign up with next for some decent free call tim to
expirement ......
PAUL
"Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com> wrote in message
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> is it just me or is voip confusing .......
>
> i have always foud the plethora of mobile deals confusing and
> hard to workout best value .............
>
> VOIPS even more confusing ,ther seems to be a collection of
> companies offering service but everyone seems to have a mixed views
> on them , i see a compnay with good reviews then days later someones
> tearing them apart ....there doesnt seem to be any clear winner at the
> moment ..... maybe the markets not mature enough yet ? would youagree ?
>
> Except maybe SKYPE ..i say this mainly as its the only well known brand
> in the market ... but i get the general feeling its the AOL of the viop
> market
> ..maybe along the lines of Viop for dummies ...or thats the impression
> some
> people give ...its easy to set up and use but never best value ? and due
> to its
> popularity with the dummies its service can be erratic ?
>
> Also is viop really a service you should only set up and useif you REALLY
> have
> a need for it ..one thing that confuses me is the costs ......... calls
> arent really free
> are they and landline/mobile calls are so cheap now theres no REAL saving
> is there?
> if yourplanning to keep your exisitng land line and mobile ?
>
> Phew .. services ! theres seems to be plethora of services available but
> no one
> central place thats list available services so you can try and guage what
> services
> you might need ? nothing worse than signing up for aservice to read about
> feature you would reallylike
>
>
> I have a small list of my OWN must haves at the moment ..anyone know a
> decent
> company that can suffice
>
>
> 1. ability to prepay by paypal
> 2. no monthly service charge
> 3. good rates
> 4. no contract
> 5. ability to choose a local number
> 6. multiple numbers to 1 viop line
> 7.different rings for different numbers
> 8. ability to port in Bt numbers
>
> an collection of othr features i dont know i need yt likely
>
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:58:22 +0000, Homeworker wrote:
> I was in a shop and it had a VOIP phone for £6 .. jeex just gotta try it
> , soooo I have plugged it in .. it actually works !
> So who can i sign up with next for some decent free call tim to
> expirement ......
Sipgate will give you calls to other members and 0800 numbers without
having to add credit. Hopefully your six quid "phone" will work with X-
Lite. Does it have a model number?
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Homeworker wrote:
> I was in a shop and it had a VOIP phone for £6 .. jeex just
> gotta try it , soooo I have plugged it in .. it actually works !
No, it doesn't. It is mostly just mic and earpiece: it is using the PC
it's plugged into to do all the work. You surely sdon't want to have a
PC running nearby whenever you make or receive a phone call.
> The phone forces sign up to SKYPE
Is that the police forces who warn us about being asked to dial *90# ?
> , now done and
> the line is incredibly clear , its better than my standard
> phone line ...
That'll be for a skype-skype call, restricted to the Skye nerd-nerd
network. Try calls to or from real phones and it is a different story.
Luckily, with other VOIP systems you can choose the quality you want by
selecting different codecs.
so i am impressed with VOIP ...now for
> the learning curve though ...
That's the good bit about Skype. It is very Plug 'n Play. It's also a
snag, becasue you'll not have learned anything from using it.
> now i signed up for account with skype but
> didnt actually give htem ny money or card details
>
> So who can i sign up with next for some decent free call tim to
> expirement ......
Because Skype is a proprietory system not used by any other supplier,
there is no price competition for Skype call prices. So if you want a
decent deal, you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP.
"you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
where would YOU start
"Iain" <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Homeworker wrote:
>> I was in a shop and it had a VOIP phone for £6 .. jeex just
>> gotta try it , soooo I have plugged it in .. it actually works !
>
> No, it doesn't. It is mostly just mic and earpiece: it is using the PC
> it's plugged into to do all the work. You surely sdon't want to have a PC
> running nearby whenever you make or receive a phone call.
>
>> The phone forces sign up to SKYPE
>
> Is that the police forces who warn us about being asked to dial *90# ?
>
>> , now done and
>> the line is incredibly clear , its better than my standard
>> phone line ...
>
> That'll be for a skype-skype call, restricted to the Skye nerd-nerd
> network. Try calls to or from real phones and it is a different story.
> Luckily, with other VOIP systems you can choose the quality you want by
> selecting different codecs.
>
> so i am impressed with VOIP ...now for
>> the learning curve though ...
>
> That's the good bit about Skype. It is very Plug 'n Play. It's also a
> snag, becasue you'll not have learned anything from using it.
>
>> now i signed up for account with skype but
>> didnt actually give htem ny money or card details
>>
>> So who can i sign up with next for some decent free call tim to
>> expirement ......
>
> Because Skype is a proprietory system not used by any other supplier,
> there is no price competition for Skype call prices. So if you want a
> decent deal, you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:17:12 +0000, Homeworker wrote:
> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>
> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>
> where would YOU start
Register an account with Sipgate and download X-Lite from them. Simple
as. On the other hand, if Skype does what you want then why bother?
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Homeworker wrote:
> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>
> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>
> where would YOU start
I would either start with voip.co.uk or with sipgate.co.uk, using a
software phone to begin with (you can download x-lite pre-configured for
your Sipgate account from their website, but the setup for voip.co.uk is
even easier)
When I was happy it was working properly, I'd then buy a PAP2T from
Provu and use that, with one or two ordinary phones plugged into it.
thanks i will sign upwith sipgate and start the
learning process
voip.co.uk seem to have a less friendly website , theres nowhere to sign
up thats obvious an residential plans seem to be suspended
PAUL
"Iain" <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Homeworker wrote:
>> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>>
>> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>>
>> where would YOU start
>
> I would either start with voip.co.uk or with sipgate.co.uk, using a
> software phone to begin with (you can download x-lite pre-configured for
> your Sipgate account from their website, but the setup for voip.co.uk is
> even easier)
>
> When I was happy it was working properly, I'd then buy a PAP2T from Provu
> and use that, with one or two ordinary phones plugged into it.
>
Ok Signed up (sip ) xgte lite ..interesting ..inititially its a internal
speaker
/microphone ste up , a i dont have a microphone it didnt work
So i plugged in my cheap £6 phone and it worked , quality of sound
seems great in the six or so test calls so far .i am on a virgin internet
braodband line . Cheap phone keynboard has no effect whatsoever in terms
of using it for calling /adjusting things etc but you can hear and recive
calls
from people ............also it doent ring when the cheap phone is plugged
in ,
neither the xgate lite on screen ,or the cheap phone so ONLY way to tell if
a call is coming in at moment is ON SCREEN
The phone for someone who asked in a previous thread is POWER PLUS
- no model number , it has plin siple red led behind the non existant sceen
and
is white with a silver trim,softwarsomes ona SMALLER than normal cd
I HATE the number that was issued by sipgte , i only had one choice as its
totally
not memorable ...but hey its FREE and i also note now they DONT
transfer/port in BT numbers
Surely somebody Somewhere has put a list of voip features on the web and a
list
of service providers to compare features among suppliers ?
"Iain" <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Homeworker wrote:
>> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>>
>> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>>
>> where would YOU start
>
> I would either start with voip.co.uk or with sipgate.co.uk, using a
> software phone to begin with (you can download x-lite pre-configured for
> your Sipgate account from their website, but the setup for voip.co.uk is
> even easier)
>
> When I was happy it was working properly, I'd then buy a PAP2T from Provu
> and use that, with one or two ordinary phones plugged into it.
>
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:52:34 GMT, "Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com>
wrote:
>thanks i will sign upwith sipgate and start the
>learning process
>voip.co.uk seem to have a less friendly website , theres nowhere to sign
>up thats obvious an residential plans seem to be suspended
Seems voip.co.uk no longer want to know about residential customers
I emailed them a week ago and they haven't had the decency to reply,
I have now signed up with voipfone and up to now received good
service.
Jeex theres another one into themix , voipfone have an
impressive website thats for sure !
<zen153607@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:52:34 GMT, "Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com>
> wrote:
>
>>thanks i will sign upwith sipgate and start the
>>learning process
>>voip.co.uk seem to have a less friendly website , theres nowhere to sign
>>up thats obvious an residential plans seem to be suspended
> Seems voip.co.uk no longer want to know about residential customers
> I emailed them a week ago and they haven't had the decency to reply,
> I have now signed up with voipfone and up to now received good
> service.
mmm. sipgate xlite phone seems to have 3 lines ? three buttons
on the phone ..when i call my sipgate number LINE3 flashes
any ideas why ? 3 and what can i do / activate the other 2
"Iain" <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Homeworker wrote:
>> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>>
>> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>>
>> where would YOU start
>
> I would either start with voip.co.uk or with sipgate.co.uk, using a
> software phone to begin with (you can download x-lite pre-configured for
> your Sipgate account from their website, but the setup for voip.co.uk is
> even easier)
>
> When I was happy it was working properly, I'd then buy a PAP2T from Provu
> and use that, with one or two ordinary phones plugged into it.
>
With your free soft phone, you can accept up to 3 calls simultaneously. With
VoIP adapters for ordinary telephones and the new SIP telephones, you can
have as many incoming calls as they have buttons - the snom 300, for
example, has 4 and the snom 360 has 12.
As a new call arrives when you are already on a call you will hear a beep
and the line light on your phone will flash. If you click the light you put
your first call on hold and answer the second. If a third call comes in, you
click on its light and the other two calls are put on hold. While on hold we
play them some music.
You toggle between calls by clicking on the lights.
Of course, combined with the use of telephone extensions on our Virtual PBX,
this becomes an extremely powerful and cost effective business tool.
"Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com> wrote in message
news:d05ij.7419$g%2.4857@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> mmm. sipgate xlite phone seems to have 3 lines ? three buttons
> on the phone ..when i call my sipgate number LINE3 flashes
> any ideas why ? 3 and what can i do / activate the other 2
>
>
> "Iain" <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1200082233.26678.0@damia.uk.clara.net...
>> Homeworker wrote:
>>> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>>>
>>> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>>>
>>> where would YOU start
>>
>> I would either start with voip.co.uk or with sipgate.co.uk, using a
>> software phone to begin with (you can download x-lite pre-configured for
>> your Sipgate account from their website, but the setup for voip.co.uk is
>> even easier)
>>
>> When I was happy it was working properly, I'd then buy a PAP2T from Provu
>> and use that, with one or two ordinary phones plugged into it.
>>
>
>
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:27:51 GMT, "Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com>
wrote:
>Jeex theres another one into themix , voipfone have an
>impressive website thats for sure !
Zen's own voip offering which is 5.00 a month is crap in comparison
with voipfone who only charge 2.00 for a local geographical number.
Voipfone have a service where you can call a London number on
your mobile then hang up they call you back and you can then dial any
number you wish and only get charged for the call to your mobile plus
the cost of whatever call you make .
The cost per call usually works out about 10 p a minute instead of
maybe 30p or 40 p a minute on mobile unless you have free minutes.
Ok i REALLY like the viopfone website , its helped me lot
as its easy to navigte and read
iTs got loeads of features and im no expert but its not the cheapest
but its not expensive
They made a big mistake though , they gave me 5 mins of free
calltime which i used and the service was CRAP , i mean dismal
...almost impossible to hold any type of conversation , and i tried 4
different
people ...i am hoping its just them having bad day as i like just about
everything else about them.shame cause Skype and Sipgate quality is
outstanding
<zen153607@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4rhio3tv02kst35706ppdsgf3hfha6tlal@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:27:51 GMT, "Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Jeex theres another one into themix , voipfone have an
>>impressive website thats for sure !
>
> Zen's own voip offering which is 5.00 a month is crap in comparison
> with voipfone who only charge 2.00 for a local geographical number.
> Voipfone have a service where you can call a London number on
> your mobile then hang up they call you back and you can then dial any
> number you wish and only get charged for the call to your mobile plus
> the cost of whatever call you make .
> The cost per call usually works out about 10 p a minute instead of
> maybe 30p or 40 p a minute on mobile unless you have free minutes.
>
Homeworker wrote:
> thanks i will sign upwith sipgate and start the
> learning process
> voip.co.uk seem to have a less friendly website , theres nowhere to sign
> up thats obvious an residential plans seem to be suspended
There was a time when voip.co.uk were cheaper than Sipgate, and
voip.co.uk is more powerful and configurable, but it isn't well
explained on their website.
However, with sipgate you seem to have to faff about putting in stun
servers, which voip.co.uk seems fine without.
on 12/01/2008, Homeworker supposed :
> They made a big mistake though , they gave me 5 mins of free
> calltime which i used and the service was CRAP , i mean dismal
> ..almost impossible to hold any type of conversation , and i tried 4
> different
> people ...i am hoping its just them having bad day as i like just about
> everything else about them.shame cause Skype and Sipgate quality is
> outstanding
Hmm. Never experienced anything of the sort, myself, with VF........
Had you not said that you'd got Sipgate working, I would have
immediately blamed your setup rather than VF.....however, this is still
likely to be the case.
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:44:41 GMT, "Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com>
wrote:
>They made a big mistake though , they gave me 5 mins of free
>calltime which i used and the service was CRAP , i mean dismal
>..almost impossible to hold any type of conversation , and i tried 4
>different
>people ...i am hoping its just them having bad day as i like just about
>everything else about them.shame cause Skype and Sipgate quality is
>outstanding
I have held an account with Voipfone for over two years since I left
poxy Sipgate in fact and one thing I cannot say about them is that
they are CRAP far from it in fact ,you sure you haven't got your
thinking mixed up with that SIPGATE CRAP that you reckon you have ? .
> Seems voip.co.uk no longer want to know about residential customers
> I emailed them a week ago and they haven't had the decency to reply,
> I have now signed up with voipfone and up to now received good
> service.
Do you? I tried voipfone.co.uk and never managed to figure out a DTMF
setting that works for all the various conference call I have to join, and
still be able to use their voicemail. On top of that, if I am just
listenning (i.e. my phone is on mute), I get cut off after 5 min. I have a
ticket with them for about 1 year now....
Oh, and I am using a SNOM300. So I am back to voip.co.uk for now... although www.tescointernetphone.com seems like a more residential user friendly
option (if that works that is).
voip - - confused u will be ! 
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