Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the standard BT
rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will charge
a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
bother at all.
Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
range of numbers is useful.
In article <HBk*Xvn-t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> scribeth thus
>Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the standard BT
>rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will charge
>a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
>bother at all.
>
>Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
>
>I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
>range of numbers is useful.
>
>Thanks
>Theo
I don't think there is one apart from saynoto0870 which for most all
of the time comes up with the right numbers, sometimes freefone ones;)..
We've ported our main number to VoIPfone and since then call quality
excellent and cost a lot lower, divert to any number if main link falls
over etc and very good customer service:)...
"Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
news:HBk*Xvn-t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the standard
> BT
> rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will
> charge
> a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
> bother at all.
0870 is 8p/min (peak) and 0871 10p/min (24/7).
>
> Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
>
> I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
> range of numbers is useful.
>
> Thanks
> Theo
On 04/07/2012 13:14, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> "Theo Markettos"<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:HBk*Xvn-t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>> Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the standard
>> BT
>> rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will
>> charge
>> a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
>> bother at all.
>
> 0870 is 8p/min (peak) and 0871 10p/min (24/7).
>
>>
>> Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
>>
>> I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
>> range of numbers is useful.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Theo
Hello Experts :-)
I am also stuck with Bt. How to get out and get better deals financially?
"Loony" <Loony@nowhere.con> wrote in message
news:a5jl1rFrnaU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 04/07/2012 13:14, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>> "Theo Markettos"<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
>> news:HBk*Xvn-t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>>> Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the
>>> standard
>>> BT
>>> rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will
>>> charge
>>> a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
>>> bother at all.
>>
>> 0870 is 8p/min (peak) and 0871 10p/min (24/7).
>>
>>>
>>> Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
>>> range of numbers is useful.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Theo
>
> Hello Experts :-)
>
> I am also stuck with Bt. How to get out and get better deals financially?
On 05/07/2012 12:13, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> "Loony"<Loony@nowhere.con> wrote in message
> news:a5jl1rFrnaU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 04/07/2012 13:14, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>> "Theo Markettos"<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:HBk*Xvn-t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>>>> Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the
>>>> standard
>>>> BT
>>>> rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will
>>>> charge
>>>> a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
>>>> bother at all.
>>>
>>> 0870 is 8p/min (peak) and 0871 10p/min (24/7).
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
>>>> range of numbers is useful.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Theo
>>
>> Hello Experts :-)
>>
>> I am also stuck with Bt. How to get out and get better deals financially?
>
> Prefix dialling.
>
> VOIP
>
>>
>> TIA
Loony <Loony@nowhere.con> wrote:
> I have my SIP aliases -------- @iptel.org, etc.
>
> Would that help to get away from Bt?
Not much. You need at least one inbound (DID) number, one or more outbound
routes for calls, and something to operate them (eg a physical ATA and
phone, or a softphone [perhaps on a mobile]).
Only it turns out to be tricky to find sensibly-priced routes for all the
things you can route from BT. For example if you really do have to call
Cheap'n'NastyTat'R'us' customer services one day on their 09... number. Or
some family member decides they really must vote for contestants on
X-Factor. Or whatever. Which is where we came in.
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 22:28:18 +0100, Loony <Loony@nowhere.con> wrote:
>On 05/07/2012 12:13, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>> "Loony"<Loony@nowhere.con> wrote in message
>> news:a5jl1rFrnaU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 04/07/2012 13:14, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>>> "Theo Markettos"<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:HBk*Xvn-t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>>>>> Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the
>>>>> standard
>>>>> BT
>>>>> rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will
>>>>> charge
>>>>> a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
>>>>> bother at all.
>>>>
>>>> 0870 is 8p/min (peak) and 0871 10p/min (24/7).
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
>>>>> range of numbers is useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Theo
>>>
>>> Hello Experts :-)
>>>
>>> I am also stuck with Bt. How to get out and get better deals financially?
>>
>> Prefix dialling.
>>
>> VOIP
>>
>>>
>>> TIA
>
>
>Thanks R. Mark.
>
>I have my SIP aliases -------- @iptel.org, etc.
>
>Would that help to get away from Bt?
>
>TIA
If your broadband is delivered by xDSL you are stuck with paying line
rental to BT or an alternative LLU voice provider, even you never use
the line to make a chargeable call.
That is my situation here.
"Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
news:HBk*Xvn-t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the standard
> BT
> rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will
> charge
> a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
> bother at all.
>
> Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
>
> I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
> range of numbers is useful.
>
> Thanks
> Theo
Hi,
Sorry not to be more helpful.
Their are a number of VoIP providers who have (honoured) the full OFCOM ( /
BT ) pricing, banding, agreements or allocations.
Some are wholesale terminators. Their are also a number (of), several,
retail ITSPs both UK and international, who provide full discretely or
separately priced number range[s] (access / or dialling [, etc.])
(including a significant proportion at or below BT [ / OFCOM defined {,
default} ] prices).
If you are enthusiastic I will deliver a list of some, some examples -
providers.
News Reader <some@where.invalid> wrote:
> Their are a number of VoIP providers who have (honoured) the full OFCOM ( /
> BT ) pricing, banding, agreements or allocations.
>
> If you are enthusiastic I will deliver a list of some, some examples -
> providers.
On 06/07/2012 12:32, Theo Markettos wrote:
> News Reader<some@where.invalid> wrote:
>> Their are a number of VoIP providers who have (honoured) the full OFCOM ( /
>> BT ) pricing, banding, agreements or allocations.
>>
>> If you are enthusiastic I will deliver a list of some, some examples -
>> providers.
>
> Thanks, that would be most interesting...
>
> Theo
On 2012-07-05, Graham <me@privacy.net.invalid> wrote:
> If your broadband is delivered by xDSL you are stuck with paying line
> rental to BT or an alternative LLU voice provider, even you never use
> the line to make a chargeable call.
> That is my situation here.
For that very reason I moved my line rental to Primus Line Rental Saver
just over a year ago - £6.79/month. All my calls are made over VoIP or
mobile. I don't use Primus's broadband - Demon works nicely for me.
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:54:58 +0100, Soruk
<soruk@bitbucket.eridani.co.uk> wrote:
>On 2012-07-05, Graham <me@privacy.net.invalid> wrote:
>> If your broadband is delivered by xDSL you are stuck with paying line
>> rental to BT or an alternative LLU voice provider, even you never use
>> the line to make a chargeable call.
>> That is my situation here.
>
>For that very reason I moved my line rental to Primus Line Rental Saver
>just over a year ago - £6.79/month. All my calls are made over VoIP or
>mobile. I don't use Primus's broadband - Demon works nicely for me.
I can't see that deal on their website but I can see one if you sign
up via homephonechoices.co.uk, except it's not 6.79, it's 6.29, so
better than the £13.32 I am paying to BT including the charge for
call waiting.
I would need call waiting from Primus which is £2.50 and caller
display isn't free, another £2.50 so that's now up to 11.29
So I make that now only £2.03p/m advantage for me.
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> "Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:HBk*Xvn-t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>> Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the standard
>> BT
>> rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will
>> charge
>> a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
>> bother at all.
>
> 0870 is 8p/min (peak) and 0871 10p/min (24/7).
>
Are you sure? 0870 is 1p/min on voiptalk and 1.25/1/1 p/min on gradwell.
>> Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
>>
>> I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
>> range of numbers is useful.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Theo
>
>
"News Reader" <some@where.invalid> wrote in message
news:jt5c2g$fup$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> "Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:HBk*Xvn-t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>> Can anyone recommend a VOIP calls provider that does 0871 at the standard
>> BT
>> rates? For example, 0871 772 is a '7p/min' number, but Sipgate will
>> charge
>> a blanket 10p/min and Gradwell 12p/min. Often Betamax and friends don't
>> bother at all.
>>
>> Would be good if it could do 09 too (eg 0911 922 is 13p/min at BT).
>>
>> I'm looking for a 'BT replacement' provider, so ability to call the full
>> range of numbers is useful.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Theo
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Sorry not to be more helpful.
>
> Their are a number of VoIP providers who have (honoured) the full OFCOM
> ( / BT ) pricing, banding, agreements or allocations.
>
> Some are wholesale terminators. Their are also a number (of), several,
> retail ITSPs both UK and international, who provide full discretely or
> separately priced number range[s] (access / or dialling [, etc.])
> (including a significant proportion at or below BT [ / OFCOM defined {,
> default} ] prices).
>
> If you are enthusiastic I will deliver a list of some, some examples -
> providers.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> News Reader
>
>
Hi,
Ok.
Crap (Response): Their are many indexing services around. These contain the
details of many ITSPs / VoIP Providers. Trawl (cast your net, throttle up
your boat diesel engine).
Also or further, many American operators seem to provide or oblige full rate
mirroring (i.e. the OFCOM / BT rate [and / or] range brackets).
To enhance your (crap response) process or success (achievement, results)
search the providers, find the (else those with) rate list, find UK or
downloaded rate list, if large (i.e. many entries), they will be separately
charging each of the defined NGN destinations (codes) (07/8 x series).
Full Response: If you are very keen. I have forgotten, not got my index
here, of those providers, sites, previously found (or identified) that
facilitate this. Full access at good rates. Bu they do exist, are there.
Thanks.
Do (feel free to) provide progress update(s), feedback.
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:46:03 +0100, Graham. <me@privacy.net.invalid>
wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:51:45 +0100, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>News Reader (for it is he) wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Did you eat a thesaurus for breakfast?
>
>News Reader's style is well known, I just miss the tag line
>MESSAGE ENDS
News Reader <some@where.invalid> wrote:
> Full Response: If you are very keen. I have forgotten, not got my index
> here, of those providers, sites, previously found (or identified) that
> facilitate this. Full access at good rates. Bu they do exist, are there.
Thanks. Useful to know that about US operators... but there's only
thousands out there!
"Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
news:Gtl*Ifnau@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> News Reader <some@where.invalid> wrote:
>> Full Response: If you are very keen. I have forgotten, not got my index
>> here, of those providers, sites, previously found (or identified) that
>> facilitate this. Full access at good rates. Bu they do exist, are there.
>
> Thanks. Useful to know that about US operators... but there's only
> thousands out there!
>
> Haven't found anything yet, but while trawling I came across:
> http://www.dellmont.info.pl/eng.html
> which is yet another Betamax and friends price comparison site.
> And this one:
> http://voipratetracker.com/
> has handy little rate graphs.
>
> Theo
.... try the top ten or twenty wholesale providers / operators. (Further or
otherwise) You can enquire from them who their primary customers, retail
providers or commercial, industry sellers are.
"Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
news:Gtl*Ifnau@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> News Reader <some@where.invalid> wrote:
>> Full Response: If you are very keen. I have forgotten, not got my index
>> here, of those providers, sites, previously found (or identified) that
>> facilitate this. Full access at good rates. Bu they do exist, are there.
>
> Thanks. Useful to know that about US operators... but there's only
> thousands out there!
>
> Haven't found anything yet, but while trawling I came across:
> http://www.dellmont.info.pl/eng.html
> which is yet another Betamax and friends price comparison site.
> And this one:
> http://voipratetracker.com/
> has handy little rate graphs.
>
> Theo
Hello,
I will consider, and try to, follow up post with any / those I come across.
(Could be significant, long ?, period of time).
News Reader <some@where.invalid> wrote:
> I will consider, and try to, follow up post with any / those I come across.
> (Could be significant, long ?, period of time).
Thanks, that would be useful. And not a problem if it takes a while :)
On 06/07/2012 00:35, Theo Markettos wrote:
> Loony<Loony@nowhere.con> wrote:
>> I have my SIP aliases -------- @iptel.org, etc.
>>
>> Would that help to get away from Bt?
>
> Not much. You need at least one inbound (DID) number, one or more outbound
> routes for calls, and something to operate them (eg a physical ATA and
> phone, or a softphone [perhaps on a mobile]).
>
> Only it turns out to be tricky to find sensibly-priced routes for all the
> things you can route from BT. For example if you really do have to call
> Cheap'n'NastyTat'R'us' customer services one day on their 09... number. Or
> some family member decides they really must vote for contestants on
> X-Factor. Or whatever. Which is where we came in.
>
> Theo
Thank you Theo. I seem to be in a very complicated system.
VOIP provider with 0871 and 09 
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