> It is slightly more involved than that Ivor but you are essentially
> correct. I have 2 VoIP lines in the UK and wish to have a few more. One
> (or more) for testing in the immediate future (I am testing 2 Italian VoIP
> companies for a Rome number for example) and hope to eventually set up an
> Asterisk server (when my Linux (and Italian) knowledge has improved). I do
> a fair amount of business in Rome and I am practical. VoIP works. Not
> perfectly, not always, but improving. Patience has it's rewards.
>
If you use asterisk@home as your linux distro. then setting up asterisk
is supposed to be trivial. (I haven't used it, I've read about it but
never actually played with it).
As far as linux installs go, Asterisk is fairly trivial (and the
documentation available is very good).
The configuration is fairly complicated but there's nothing that I've
found so far that completely defies logic. (except maybe the zapata.conf
is pretty mind-bendingly awkward, but you only need to worry about that
if you are using an FXO or FXS card, or require a service that for some
reason requires a zap module to be present ie. a Meetme room).
I'm sure between the group and the documentation you can have one up and
running in no time.
(btw. If you don't want to download a copy of asterisk@home, then I
sometimes sell them on ebay for 99p+35p p&p, you're bound to be able to
find a copy easily.)
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:23:34 +0200, "Joanna Thompson"
> <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Ivor made out that Sipgate was the best thing that has happened since
> the wheel was invented and has been proved wrong by other people
> besides myself .Had he declared more than he was just another customer
> like he has had to now at that time I would not have given Sipgate a
> second glance.
Dexter, it is everyone's perogative to have their own opinion. Reading
people's posts about Sipgate (including Ivor's) have given me more
information towards making my own decision. Denigrating a service or person
every time it or they are mention helps no one and is detrimental to all who
read. I think that you (and I) have a genuine interest in VoIP (and saving
money), but you expend too much time and effort on things in the past that
cannot be undone. Out of curiosity, how did you lose the £ 80.00? Did you
get a "locked box" for Sipgate? I had read that you got a refund from them.
> You know Ivor has another favorite toy the "Sipura 2000" but he
> certainly hasn't given Cisco Systems the prominence and publicity here
> that he gives Sipgate I wonder why this is !, one day the truth will
> out of course it always does . I made my own mind up regarding Vonage
> and wasn't persuaded by anyone and to date my decision to subscribe
> has proved to be correct .
Why concern yourself over Ivor's interests? I read some back posts about a
speaking clock and a Fritz!Fon as well but nothing recent about a Sipura.
Why would you care that he doesn't mention Cisco specifically? Incidentally
Sipura is owned by Linksys, which is owned by Cisco, so if he does speak
about the Sipura again he is in fact speaking about Cisco. I am glad that
you have found a VoIP service that you like. So has Ivor and many other
people. The best solution for those who haven't found one is to read
reasoned and thoughtful commentary so they have a rational basis for
comparison. I would be happy to hear why you feel that Vonage is better,
but I would rather hear valid reasons about Vonage and not simply that it is
because Sipgate is not what you wanted.
>> I wouldn't fuss
>>this much over an £ 80.00 outfit, you shouldn't either. Turn your
>>resentment into something positive.
> I do just love to throwing money away Joanna I have worked damned hard
> during my lifetime for the money I have and I have no intention
> whatsoever of ever throwing anymore of it away based on what some
> idiot says here regarding any product or service I stay well clear of
> the Ivor's of this world in future .
I work hard for my money too and I certainly don't advocate throwing it
away. I have made some decision that have cost me more than I expected but
when it is over I don't dwell on the loss. I rethink what happened and
chalk it up as an expensive lesson. The experience doesn't seem to have
dampened your enthusiasm for VoIP whether through Vonage or someone else.
You don't have to like Sipgate or even Ivor's advice, but he is far more
constructive and helpful than Stefan. Don't let bitterness about something
turn you into someone like that. I think that you can be a great asset for
this group if you want to be.
>>Please return to making positive contributions and let Stefan find another
>>group to rant in.
> 90% of posting's here are devoted to Sipgate and Ivor remember it is
> HIS group have you not noticed how he keeps reminding everyone
> about this every few days .
Again, Ivor's comments are positive and constructive. He doesn't confine
his reasoning to saying "Sipgate is the Best!", he gives his opinion and
backs it up with why he feels that way. I don't know of any connection he
has with Sipgate and I don't care. He has said his interests are not
financial and beyond that it doesn't really matter. I haven't had any
problems with my Sipgate numbers yet, but if I did it would be nice to know
that there is more than one resource I can use to resolve the problem. I
would send a note into support or post the question here (or both).
Why not make your own positive and constructive posts about Vonage? I am
interested to read them. Eventually Stefan will find another newsgroup he
can insult people in and continue in his fantasy world. I for one, refuse
to be dragged down to his level. This is the unfortunate price we have to
pay for no censorship, but I think we have enough bright and intelligent
people to look beyond the mindless prattle.
Since you know Vonage, can you tell me if they have numbers in Rome?
"Thomas Rankin" <tom@sanguinarius.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> Joanna Thompson wrote:
< snip>
> If you use asterisk@home as your linux distro. then setting up asterisk is
> supposed to be trivial. (I haven't used it, I've read about it but never
> actually played with it).
>
> As far as linux installs go, Asterisk is fairly trivial (and the
> documentation available is very good).
>
> The configuration is fairly complicated but there's nothing that I've
> found so far that completely defies logic. (except maybe the zapata.conf
> is pretty mind-bendingly awkward, but you only need to worry about that if
> you are using an FXO or FXS card, or require a service that for some
> reason requires a zap module to be present ie. a Meetme room).
>
> I'm sure between the group and the documentation you can have one up and
> running in no time.
<snip>
Thank you Thomas, I will look at the Asterisk at home solution.
>I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
>(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
>some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
>working well.
>
>I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
>answer:
>
>I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more. Would
>I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP router
>know they are calls and route them properly?
If you want to support multiple providers and/or multiple telephone numbers, and
your technical skills are up to it, then I would suggest that you investigate
setting up a VoIP PBX at your location, - and the most cost effective way of
doing this is to use Asterisk.
For ease of configuration you should then forward all the ports relevant to VoIP
to the Asterisk server, and then use that to control all the accounts and
telephone numbers you have registered for.
A number of people recommend the 'Asterisk @ Home' distribution as a good
starting point.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:26:41 GMT, "\"&\"" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote:
>
>OH miss thompson youre starting with that line are you " i spent more ona
>dress" yore sort make me sick pretending youre better than everyone else
>with your higher than mighty attitude
>
>killfile here we come
>
><plonk>
>
Joanna, you just hit the jackpot!
<£> wrote:
> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:EYSdnQWILIOs-Z7eRVnyrw@pipex.net...
>
>><£> wrote:
>>
>>>"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:CPydncR0vebx_J7eRVnyrA@pipex.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>><£> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Q4CdnU-AFM0doZ7eRVnytg@pipex.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thomas Rankin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have
>>>>>>>>shares in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ivor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thats what I thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>who said anything about buying my shares through a public offering, it
>>>>>always pays to know certain people :-)
>>>>
>>>>So in that case you have to be a close personal friend or business
>>>>associate of a director of Vonage to be able to buy shares in their
>>>>privately owned company. I certainly wouldn't part with shares to my
>>>>private company to anyone I didn't know very well indeed. Perhaps we
>>>>should drop a note to Jeffrey Citron and let him know what a Vonage
>>>>representative is doing and saying in here? If you are known to him, then
>>>>I'm sure he will have a few words to say to you. If however you are not,
>>>>I'm sure their lawyers will want to write you a letter.
>>>>
>>>>You could also I suppose be one of the Venture Capitalists investing in
>>>>Vonage in exchange for shares. In my dealings with VC's I have found that
>>>>they tend to be a bit brighter than you appear to be. They also don't go
>>>>around bragging about their investments and what pies they have their
>>>>fingers in for very obvious reasons.
>>>>
>>>>The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in
>>>>a dream world.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop throwing the dummy out just because i have
>>>and you dont bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>
>>The fact that one can never get a reasoned, sensible and concise answer
>>out of you just keeps leading me to the same conclusion; You are talking
>>complete bollocks and living in a dream world.
>>
>>I invite you to change my opinion.
>
>
> one does not have to rpve anything to you lovey, like your opinion counts
> anyway
>
>
If you are happy for me to continue holding the opinion that you are a
twat then at least we can agree on that.
<do.not.waste.your.time.emailing.me@this.address.i t.is.invalid>
wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:26:41 GMT, "\"&\""
> <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > OH miss thompson youre starting with that line are you
> > " i spent more on a dress" yore sort make me sick
> > pretending youre better than everyone else with your
> > higher than mighty attitude
> >
> > killfile here we come
> >
> > <plonk>
> >
> Joanna, you just hit the jackpot!
Unfortunately that's unlikely. He told me he'd killfiled me 4 days ago but
he still replies to my posts.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:09:17 +0200, Joanna Thompson <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
[Snip]
> I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
> things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone point
> out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human interest?
Some of the blogs concentrating on voip issues might be of interest to
you. A search on Google brings up some well regarded sites on the first
few pages of hits. To start you off:
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