VoIP questions

I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
working well.

I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
answer:

I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more. Would
I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP router
know they are calls and route them properly?

I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone point
out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human interest?

Thank you in advance!

Joanna

"Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3mg7cvF16naaqU1@individual.net...
>I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
>(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
>some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
>working well.
>
> I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
> answer:
>
> I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more.
> Would I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP
> router know they are calls and route them properly?
>
> I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
> things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone
> point out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human
> interest?
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Joanna
>

wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss poor
customer ,even non existent customer service.

vonage are the best

":-)" <pcid@net.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3mg7cvF16naaqU1@individual.net...
> >I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
> >(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice
(and
> >some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
> >working well.
> >
> > I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
> > answer:
> >
> > I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more.
> > Would I need to do something special like forward ports or would the
VoIP
> > router know they are calls and route them properly?
> >
> > I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side
of
> > things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone
> > point out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human
> > interest?
> >
> > Thank you in advance!
> >
> > Joanna
> >
>
> wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
> will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss
poor
> customer ,even non existent customer service.
>
> vonage are the best
>
>

I've always had excellent service with Sipgate. Four support mails all
answered quickly and professionally, so I don't know why you think there is
piss poor service. You are right about piss poor customers though, but I
think all of the piss poor ones moved to Vonage. Don't pay any attention to
this troll Joanna, he sounds about as dumb as a box of rocks!

Nira Portman

"Nira Portman" <niraiscool@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> ":-)" <pcid@net.uk> wrote in message
> news:c3EMe.12386$Mf6.7640@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:3mg7cvF16naaqU1@individual.net...
>> >I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out
>> >Sipgate
>> >(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice
> (and
>> >some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get
>> >everything
>> >working well.
>> >
>> > I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
>> > answer:
>> >
>> > I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more.
>> > Would I need to do something special like forward ports or would the
> VoIP
>> > router know they are calls and route them properly?
>> >
>> > I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side
> of
>> > things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone
>> > point out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human
>> > interest?
>> >
>> > Thank you in advance!
>> >
>> > Joanna
>> >
>>
>> wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
>> will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss
> poor
>> customer ,even non existent customer service.
>>
>> vonage are the best
>>
>>
>
> I've always had excellent service with Sipgate. Four support mails all
> answered quickly and professionally, so I don't know why you think there
> is
> piss poor service. You are right about piss poor customers though, but I
> think all of the piss poor ones moved to Vonage. Don't pay any attention
> to
> this troll Joanna, he sounds about as dumb as a box of rocks!
>
> Nira Portman
>
>

if you say so nira lovey ps nice name

"Nira Portman" <niraiscool@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3mgk4aF16movpU1@individual.net

[snip]

> I've always had excellent service with Sipgate. Four
> support mails all answered quickly and professionally, so
> I don't know why you think there is piss poor service.
> You are right about piss poor customers though, but I
> think all of the piss poor ones moved to Vonage. Don't
> pay any attention to this troll Joanna, he sounds about
> as dumb as a box of rocks!
>
> Nira Portman

Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have shares
in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
> Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have shares
> in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
>
> Ivor
>
AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated, It's the only us long
distance carrier I can find that doesn't have an NYSE or Nasdaq listing.
(this market sector has more-or less collapsed over the last 5 years).

:-) wrote:
> "Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3mg7cvF16naaqU1@individual.net...
>
>>I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
>>(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
>>some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
>>working well.
>>
>>I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
>>answer:
>>
>>I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more.
>>Would I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP
>>router know they are calls and route them properly?
>>
>>I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
>>things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone
>>point out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human
>>interest?
>>
>>Thank you in advance!
>>
>>Joanna
>>
>
>
> wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
> will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss poor
> customer ,even non existent customer service.
>
> vonage are the best

You have said in the past that you have shares in Vonage. Whats the
symbol? I wanted to take a look and I can't find them listed in London,
New York or NASDAQ. I also can't find any information that they have
actually gone public. As far as I can see they are still privately owned
and funded by venture capital.

Thomas Rankin wrote:
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have
>> shares in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
>>
>> Ivor
>>
> AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,

Thats what I thought.

"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thomas Rankin wrote:
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have
>>> shares in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
>>>
>>> Ivor
>>>
>> AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
>
> Thats what I thought.

who said anything about buying my shares through a public offering, it
always pays to know certain people :-)

"<£>" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote in message
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> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Q4CdnU-AFM0doZ7eRVnytg@pipex.net...
> > Thomas Rankin wrote:
> > > Ivor Jones wrote:

> > > > Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He
> > > > claims to have shares in Vonage, hence his plugging
> > > > of them at every opportunity. Ivor
> > > >
> > > AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
> >
> > Thats what I thought.
>
> who said anything about buying my shares through a public
> offering, it always pays to know certain people :-)

Yeah, right. I think I just saw a flying pig.

Ivor

"Nira Portman" <niraiscool@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3mgu74F170eu9U1@individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "<£>" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote in message
>> news:B8HMe.8608$QU4.1538@newsfe5-win.ntli.net
>> > "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:Q4CdnU-AFM0doZ7eRVnytg@pipex.net...
>> > > Thomas Rankin wrote:
>> > > > Ivor Jones wrote:
>>
>> > > > > Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He
>> > > > > claims to have shares in Vonage, hence his plugging
>> > > > > of them at every opportunity. Ivor
>> > > > >
>> > > > AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
>> > >
>> > > Thats what I thought.
>> >
>> > who said anything about buying my shares through a public
>> > offering, it always pays to know certain people :-)
>>
>> Yeah, right. I think I just saw a flying pig.
>>
>> Ivor
>>
>>
>
> A lying pig is more like it! They would actually have to break several
> SEC
> rules to do that Stefan. I will happily call the SEC and turn you in for
> International Securities Fraud!
>
>

if you say so love but do i care a fig what you think nope lol

report me go on i dare you lol i have nothing to hide and have done nothing
wrong, its sad that you appear to have turned into another net cop

PS You and ivor jones would make a good couple

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> "<£>" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote in message
> news:B8HMe.8608$QU4.1538@newsfe5-win.ntli.net
> > "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:Q4CdnU-AFM0doZ7eRVnytg@pipex.net...
> > > Thomas Rankin wrote:
> > > > Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> > > > > Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He
> > > > > claims to have shares in Vonage, hence his plugging
> > > > > of them at every opportunity. Ivor
> > > > >
> > > > AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
> > >
> > > Thats what I thought.
> >
> > who said anything about buying my shares through a public
> > offering, it always pays to know certain people :-)
>
> Yeah, right. I think I just saw a flying pig.
>
> Ivor
>
>

A lying pig is more like it! They would actually have to break several SEC
rules to do that Stefan. I will happily call the SEC and turn you in for
International Securities Fraud!

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:31:28 +0100, Mike <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk>
wrote:

>:-) wrote:
>> "Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:3mg7cvF16naaqU1@individual.net...
>>
>>>I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
>>>(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
>>>some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
>>>working well.
>>>
>>>I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
>>>answer:
>>>
>>>I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more.
>>>Would I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP
>>>router know they are calls and route them properly?
>>>
>>>I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
>>>things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone
>>>point out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human
>>>interest?
>>>
>>>Thank you in advance!
>>>
>>>Joanna
>>>
>>
>>
>> wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
>> will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss poor
>> customer ,even non existent customer service.
>>
>> vonage are the best
>
>You have said in the past that you have shares in Vonage. Whats the
>symbol? I wanted to take a look and I can't find them listed in London,
>New York or NASDAQ. I also can't find any information that they have
>actually gone public. As far as I can see they are still privately owned
>and funded by venture capital.

It wouldn't necessarily have to be a publicly listed company for him
to own shares in it.

Chris

"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:6kh6g19t9h8rodn1a8jbl31ifd2s7ck704@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:31:28 +0100, Mike <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >:-) wrote:
> >> "Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:3mg7cvF16naaqU1@individual.net...
> >>
> >>>I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out
Sipgate
> >>>(the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice
(and
> >>>some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get
everything
> >>>working well.
> >>>
> >>>I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
> >>>answer:
> >>>
> >>>I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more.
> >>>Would I need to do something special like forward ports or would the
VoIP
> >>>router know they are calls and route them properly?
> >>>
> >>>I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side
of
> >>>things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone
> >>>point out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human
> >>>interest?
> >>>
> >>>Thank you in advance!
> >>>
> >>>Joanna
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free
people
> >> will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss
poor
> >> customer ,even non existent customer service.
> >>
> >> vonage are the best
> >
> >You have said in the past that you have shares in Vonage. Whats the
> >symbol? I wanted to take a look and I can't find them listed in London,
> >New York or NASDAQ. I also can't find any information that they have
> >actually gone public. As far as I can see they are still privately owned
> >and funded by venture capital.
>
> It wouldn't necessarily have to be a publicly listed company for him
> to own shares in it.
>
> Chris

True, but the costs and legal complications (the shares would likely be
restricted shares), all for only a few thousand shares? Perhaps he is
sleeping with the CEO of Vonage! That might explain it!

<£> wrote:
> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Q4CdnU-AFM0doZ7eRVnytg@pipex.net...
>
>>Thomas Rankin wrote:
>>
>>>Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have
>>>>shares in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
>>>>
>>>>Ivor
>>>>
>>>
>>>AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
>>
>>Thats what I thought.
>
>
> who said anything about buying my shares through a public offering, it
> always pays to know certain people :-)

So in that case you have to be a close personal friend or business
associate of a director of Vonage to be able to buy shares in their
privately owned company. I certainly wouldn't part with shares to my
private company to anyone I didn't know very well indeed. Perhaps we
should drop a note to Jeffrey Citron and let him know what a Vonage
representative is doing and saying in here? If you are known to him,
then I'm sure he will have a few words to say to you. If however you are
not, I'm sure their lawyers will want to write you a letter.

You could also I suppose be one of the Venture Capitalists investing in
Vonage in exchange for shares. In my dealings with VC's I have found
that they tend to be a bit brighter than you appear to be. They also
don't go around bragging about their investments and what pies they have
their fingers in for very obvious reasons.

The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in
a dream world.

"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> <£> wrote:
>> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:Q4CdnU-AFM0doZ7eRVnytg@pipex.net...
>>
>>>Thomas Rankin wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have
>>>>>shares in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ivor
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
>>>
>>>Thats what I thought.
>>
>>
>> who said anything about buying my shares through a public offering, it
>> always pays to know certain people :-)
>
> So in that case you have to be a close personal friend or business
> associate of a director of Vonage to be able to buy shares in their
> privately owned company. I certainly wouldn't part with shares to my
> private company to anyone I didn't know very well indeed. Perhaps we
> should drop a note to Jeffrey Citron and let him know what a Vonage
> representative is doing and saying in here? If you are known to him, then
> I'm sure he will have a few words to say to you. If however you are not,
> I'm sure their lawyers will want to write you a letter.
>
> You could also I suppose be one of the Venture Capitalists investing in
> Vonage in exchange for shares. In my dealings with VC's I have found that
> they tend to be a bit brighter than you appear to be. They also don't go
> around bragging about their investments and what pies they have their
> fingers in for very obvious reasons.
>
> The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in a
> dream world.
>

bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop throwing the dummy out just because i have and
you dont bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

<£> wrote:
> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:CPydncR0vebx_J7eRVnyrA@pipex.net...
>
>><£> wrote:
>>
>>>"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:Q4CdnU-AFM0doZ7eRVnytg@pipex.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thomas Rankin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have
>>>>>>shares in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ivor
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
>>>>
>>>>Thats what I thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>who said anything about buying my shares through a public offering, it
>>>always pays to know certain people :-)
>>
>>So in that case you have to be a close personal friend or business
>>associate of a director of Vonage to be able to buy shares in their
>>privately owned company. I certainly wouldn't part with shares to my
>>private company to anyone I didn't know very well indeed. Perhaps we
>>should drop a note to Jeffrey Citron and let him know what a Vonage
>>representative is doing and saying in here? If you are known to him, then
>>I'm sure he will have a few words to say to you. If however you are not,
>>I'm sure their lawyers will want to write you a letter.
>>
>>You could also I suppose be one of the Venture Capitalists investing in
>>Vonage in exchange for shares. In my dealings with VC's I have found that
>>they tend to be a bit brighter than you appear to be. They also don't go
>>around bragging about their investments and what pies they have their
>>fingers in for very obvious reasons.
>>
>>The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in a
>>dream world.
>>
>
>
> bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop throwing the dummy out just because i have and
> you dont bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

The fact that one can never get a reasoned, sensible and concise answer
out of you just keeps leading me to the same conclusion; You are talking
complete bollocks and living in a dream world.

I invite you to change my opinion.

"<£>" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]

> bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop throwing the dummy out just
> because i have and you dont bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Case for the proscution rests, my Lord.

Ivor

"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> <£> wrote:
>> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:CPydncR0vebx_J7eRVnyrA@pipex.net...
>>
>>><£> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:Q4CdnU-AFM0doZ7eRVnytg@pipex.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thomas Rankin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He claims to have
>>>>>>>shares in Vonage, hence his plugging of them at every opportunity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ivor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>AFAICT Vonage Holdings Corp haven't been floated,
>>>>>
>>>>>Thats what I thought.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>who said anything about buying my shares through a public offering, it
>>>>always pays to know certain people :-)
>>>
>>>So in that case you have to be a close personal friend or business
>>>associate of a director of Vonage to be able to buy shares in their
>>>privately owned company. I certainly wouldn't part with shares to my
>>>private company to anyone I didn't know very well indeed. Perhaps we
>>>should drop a note to Jeffrey Citron and let him know what a Vonage
>>>representative is doing and saying in here? If you are known to him, then
>>>I'm sure he will have a few words to say to you. If however you are not,
>>>I'm sure their lawyers will want to write you a letter.
>>>
>>>You could also I suppose be one of the Venture Capitalists investing in
>>>Vonage in exchange for shares. In my dealings with VC's I have found that
>>>they tend to be a bit brighter than you appear to be. They also don't go
>>>around bragging about their investments and what pies they have their
>>>fingers in for very obvious reasons.
>>>
>>>The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in
>>>a dream world.
>>>
>>
>>
>> bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop throwing the dummy out just because i have
>> and you dont bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
>
> The fact that one can never get a reasoned, sensible and concise answer
> out of you just keeps leading me to the same conclusion; You are talking
> complete bollocks and living in a dream world.
>
> I invite you to change my opinion.

one does not have to rpve anything to you lovey, like your opinion counts
anyway

Mike wrote:

> The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in
> a dream world.

I've encountered Stefan in other newsgroups and he clearly has some
"issues". It's probably kindest if everyone just tries to ignore him,
but he really ought to seek out some professional help.
--
Steve Loft

"Steve Loft" <steve@nybbles.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mike wrote:
>
>> The third option is that you are talking complete bollocks and living in
>> a dream world.
>
> I've encountered Stefan in other newsgroups and he clearly has some
> "issues". It's probably kindest if everyone just tries to ignore him, but
> he really ought to seek out some professional help.
> --
> Steve Loft

another net cop, which other groups you clown

<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:12:49 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> > Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He
> > claims to have shares in Vonage, hence his plugging of
> > them at every opportunity.
> Stefan isn't the only one who was very dissatisfied with
> Sipgate and I think that by advising people to take no
> notice you are again intimating indirectly that Sipgate
> are perfect which they aren't .

Nor is anybody else mate. I am merely doing what any sensible person would
do and advise ignoring an obvious troll.

Are you a troll, Dex..? I once thought better of you, maybe I was
mistaken.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:vrq6g1dc6nreg2kg921hdfactb0kb2opu1@4ax.com
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:12:49 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Stefan is the group troll, pay him no attention. He
>> > claims to have shares in Vonage, hence his plugging of
>> > them at every opportunity.
>> Stefan isn't the only one who was very dissatisfied with
>> Sipgate and I think that by advising people to take no
>> notice you are again intimating indirectly that Sipgate
>> are perfect which they aren't .
>
> Nor is anybody else mate. I am merely doing what any sensible person would
> do and advise ignoring an obvious troll.
>
> Are you a troll, Dex..? I once thought better of you, maybe I was
> mistaken.
>
> Ivor
>
>

now youre kissing dexs ass, one minute slagging him off the next lick,lick,
dex has some perfectly valid points and anyone is free to post whatever they
want in this forum of yours ivor

"<£>" <dollars@pounds.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]

> now youre kissing dexs ass, one minute slagging him off the next
> lick,lick, dex has some perfectly valid points
> and anyone is free to post whatever they want in this
> forum of yours ivor

I thought you'd killfiled me, Stefan..?

>ivor ive had enough of your self importance attitud eon here, youre now
>in my killfile, i cant be bothered arguing with you anymore, you bore me
>to tears .

><plonk>

Ivor

<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:11:20 GMT, ":-\)" <pcid@net.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>wait till you have problems with sipgate doll, as ever if its free people
>>will sign up to it but what you will fnd is piss poor service and piss
>>poor
>>customer ,even non existent customer service.
>>
>>vonage are the best
> Give over Stefan please Vonage aren't the only decent provider on the
> planet by a long chalk but I do agree regarding your comments re
> Sipgate who ARE the worst .

Hmmmm..... maybe expecting an intelligent offer of advice was too much to
ask from this group. I appreciate the forbearance of those that read these
puerile, schoolyard-posturing comments. Obviously someone has let their
children onto the Internet newsgroups unsupervised.

Dexter, you used to sound like a logical person, but your animosity to
Sipgate rather than helpful advice doesn't make you an asset to this group.
Negative attitudes are not helpful. Can you try to be helpful instead of
sounding like a recording? I got your view the first time. Please be
constructive and stick closer to the topic.

Stefan, you are just way out there. No comments to you except that you
should seek immediate psychiatric help. There is no shame in this, but do
it soon.

Ivor, good job being helpful. That is constructive. There is no problem in
preferring or referring a service you like, I have never had a significant
problem with Sipgate so I am satisfied with them. Try some other providers
so you have a frame of reference for Sipgate. www.voipuser.org is a good
place to start, you can get a free 0844 number but it will show you how
other groups work.

Now can anybody please answer my queries?

Thank you,
Joanna

Joanna Thompson wrote:
> I have been reading this forum for a while and decided to try out Sipgate
> (the price was right!). Thanks to reading some of the helpful advice (and
> some of the unhelpful, time-wasting trolling) I managed to get everything
> working well.
>
> I have a couple of questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to
> answer:
>
> I have a VoIP router with 2 lines and I want to add a couple of more. Would
> I need to do something special like forward ports or would the VoIP router
> know they are calls and route them properly?
>
If the provider you use operate a reliable stun service, this can be
achieved forwarding ports, (and using different p9orts for SIP etc.)

This is covered in the FAQ on a lot of providers sites.

eg. # 7. entitled How do I configure two or more SIP terminals (phones)
in a network? in the sipgate FAQ on calling.

> I am interested in technology, but want to learn more of the human side of
> things (like interesting things people can do with VoIP). Can someone point
> out a site I can read a less technical analysis and more human interest?
>
Not sure what to suggest, the documentation in voip-info.org details
lots of varying implementations (almost all exclusively involving
asterisk), a lot of it isn't too technical (if you only read the intro.)


> Thank you in advance!
>
> Joanna
>

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:44:47 +0200, Joanna Thompson
<artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message

Like most people I have no interest in what he wrote!


>
> Now can anybody please answer my queries?
>

Can you please clarify: when you say you have 2 'lines' and want to add
more, are you talking about 2 VoIP accounts, 2 pots connections for normal
phones, or 2 ethernet connections to the LAN?

It seems unlikely that anyone would want more than 2 accounts; more than
two telephone instruments would be best served by either DECT or a PBX
setup; and more LAN ports is simply a matter of an extra hub/switch box.
So I am puzzled by the reference to port forwarding, and hence my asking
for clarification of exactly what you are trying to do.

Alan.

--
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"Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com> wrote in message
news:opsvn5u2gsa48l90@office
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:44:47 +0200, Joanna Thompson
> <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> Like most people I have no interest in what he wrote!
>
>
> >
> > Now can anybody please answer my queries?
> >
>
> Can you please clarify: when you say you have 2 'lines'
> and want to add more, are you talking about 2 VoIP
> accounts, 2 pots connections for normal phones, or 2
> ethernet connections to the LAN?
> It seems unlikely that anyone would want more than 2
> accounts; more than two telephone instruments would be
> best served by either DECT or a PBX setup; and more LAN
> ports is simply a matter of an extra hub/switch box. So I
> am puzzled by the reference to port forwarding, and hence
> my asking for clarification of exactly what you are
> trying to do.

While it's unlikely the average user will not need more than two
accounts/lines this isn't always the case. If you *are* using a PBX then
you will most likely need more than two "lines" into it. I have three, two
voice VoIP lines and one that connects to my speaking clock (ok, I'm a
telephone nut..!) plus a PSTN line as fallback.

The way the OP's question was phrased indicates she wants more phone
lines. I have successfully used two 2 ATA's behind a router, but this
doesn't always work so knowing what the equipment involved is would be a
help.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:3mhlhhF172ssqU1@individual.net...
>
>
> "Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com> wrote in message
> news:opsvn5u2gsa48l90@office
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:44:47 +0200, Joanna Thompson
>> <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> Like most people I have no interest in what he wrote!
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Now can anybody please answer my queries?
>> >
>>
>> Can you please clarify: when you say you have 2 'lines'
>> and want to add more, are you talking about 2 VoIP
>> accounts, 2 pots connections for normal phones, or 2
>> ethernet connections to the LAN?
>> It seems unlikely that anyone would want more than 2
>> accounts; more than two telephone instruments would be
>> best served by either DECT or a PBX setup; and more LAN
>> ports is simply a matter of an extra hub/switch box. So I
>> am puzzled by the reference to port forwarding, and hence
>> my asking for clarification of exactly what you are
>> trying to do.
>
> While it's unlikely the average user will not need more than two
> accounts/lines this isn't always the case. If you *are* using a PBX then
> you will most likely need more than two "lines" into it. I have three, two
> voice VoIP lines and one that connects to my speaking clock (ok, I'm a
> telephone nut..!) plus a PSTN line as fallback.
>
> The way the OP's question was phrased indicates she wants more phone
> lines. I have successfully used two 2 ATA's behind a router, but this
> doesn't always work so knowing what the equipment involved is would be a
> help.
>
> Ivor
>
>
It is slightly more involved than that Ivor but you are essentially
correct. I have 2 VoIP lines in the UK and wish to have a few more. One
(or more) for testing in the immediate future (I am testing 2 Italian VoIP
companies for a Rome number for example) and hope to eventually set up an
Asterisk server (when my Linux (and Italian) knowledge has improved). I do
a fair amount of business in Rome and I am practical. VoIP works. Not
perfectly, not always, but improving. Patience has it's rewards.

Dexter, forget the £ 80.00 plus it's gone (plus you got some back). I have
spent more on a dress and I wouldn't fuss so much if I got to wear it a
couple of times before I found something I liked better. I wouldn't fuss
this much over an £ 80.00 outfit, you shouldn't either. Turn your
resentment into something positive.

Please return to making positive contributions and let Stefan find another
group to rant in.

Joanna

"Joanna Thompson" <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3mho56F16hoiuU1@individual.net...
>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3mhlhhF172ssqU1@individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:opsvn5u2gsa48l90@office
>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:44:47 +0200, Joanna Thompson
>>> <artemisjoanna@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Like most people I have no interest in what he wrote!
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Now can anybody please answer my queries?
>>> >
>>>
>>> Can you please clarify: when you say you have 2 'lines'
>>> and want to add more, are you talking about 2 VoIP
>>> accounts, 2 pots connections for normal phones, or 2
>>> ethernet connections to the LAN?
>>> It seems unlikely that anyone would want more than 2
>>> accounts; more than two telephone instruments would be
>>> best served by either DECT or a PBX setup; and more LAN
>>> ports is simply a matter of an extra hub/switch box. So I
>>> am puzzled by the reference to port forwarding, and hence
>>> my asking for clarification of exactly what you are
>>> trying to do.
>>
>> While it's unlikely the average user will not need more than two
>> accounts/lines this isn't always the case. If you *are* using a PBX then
>> you will most likely need more than two "lines" into it. I have three,
>> two voice VoIP lines and one that connects to my speaking clock (ok, I'm
>> a telephone nut..!) plus a PSTN line as fallback.
>>
>> The way the OP's question was phrased indicates she wants more phone
>> lines. I have successfully used two 2 ATA's behind a router, but this
>> doesn't always work so knowing what the equipment involved is would be a
>> help.
>>
>> Ivor
>>
>>
> It is slightly more involved than that Ivor but you are essentially
> correct. I have 2 VoIP lines in the UK and wish to have a few more. One
> (or more) for testing in the immediate future (I am testing 2 Italian VoIP
> companies for a Rome number for example) and hope to eventually set up an
> Asterisk server (when my Linux (and Italian) knowledge has improved). I
> do a fair amount of business in Rome and I am practical. VoIP works. Not
> perfectly, not always, but improving. Patience has it's rewards.
>
> Dexter, forget the £ 80.00 plus it's gone (plus you got some back). I
> have spent more on a dress and I wouldn't fuss so much if I got to wear it
> a couple of times before I found something I liked better. I wouldn't
> fuss this much over an £ 80.00 outfit, you shouldn't either. Turn your
> resentment into something positive.
>
> Please return to making positive contributions and let Stefan find another
> group to rant in.
>
> Joanna
>

OH miss thompson youre starting with that line are you " i spent more on a
dress" yore sort make me sick pretending youre better than everyone else
with your higher than mighty attitude

killfile here we come

<plonk>