In article <9276081.4ekEVcZZE7@ale.cx>, look@my.sig says...
> I would have said that using VoipBuster is buying a service from abroad. And
> VoipBuster denominating their service in Euros instead of UKP makes sense,
> as it means they don't have to hedge against fluctuations in the currency
> that most of their customers are using. They can then pass those savings
> on, leading to a better service. Who loses? Nobody.
>
customers who have to pay more for currency conversions may lose.
In article <MPG.1da8dc98e9a039b49896ac@news.metronet.co.uk> , graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk says...
> In article <1128160411.d32c3d70e799607cb70aa6f257419ce5@teran ews>,
> me@myself.com says...
> > This thread is populated by ignorant jingoistic bollocks, born out of
> > ignorance and propagated by shite rags like the Daily Mail. When people
> > who oppose european integration, including currency, are asked why, they
> > simply don't know or are too inarticulate to describe why.
> >
> > There is NO good or credible reason why the UK should not use Euro. The
> > Government knows it and if it wasn't for the fact that Blair knows he
> > would get defeated, there would be a referendum in the morning. The real
> > nonsense here is that the majority that would vote no (and I accept that
> > there would be a majority) would do so largely for no sound reason.
> >
> > Ludicrous but true.
> >
>
>
> There is a big reason why we should never join the Euro, because it do
> not work, you can not set the same rates of interests for different
> countries that have a completely different way of life.
>
> Why do you want European integration? are you scared of your identity
> that you have to hide it or even worse get rid of it?
You seem to be equating nationality with identity. Is that all you are?
I know exactly who and what I am, and being born where I was has played
precious little part in forming that. My upbringing, school, and
community have played a much greater role in forming the values that I
live by.
> We have lost so much of our identity over the last few years and we have
> got so many laws made by Europrats in another country, that got no idea
> what so ever how we live and how this country is run.
>
For any law to apply to you in Britain or indeed any EU member state, it
has to be adopted into law in the country in question. Your statement is
a nonsense. The laws you refer to are either UK laws or don't apply to
you.
> Yet we have the unelected Europrats trying to run our lives.
>
>
> Yes, the reason why Blair will not call a referendum is because he knows
> he will fail, Blair is gutless and will only do something if he thinks
> he will win. Why do you think we are not going to have a referendum on
> the constitution? Because Blair knows we will turn it down flat.
>
Who keeps voting for Blair? Yes, the British public. Not the EU.
> It is about time we ran our country, not Europe, what have they done for
> us anyway? sod all.
Thus spaketh Ad C:
> In article <Hdv%e.28878$VI6.2570@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk> ,
> bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk says...
>>
>> I'm British, but changing currency won't stop me from being British.
>>
>
> The currency is a part of us, just like driving on the left hand side
> of the road, just fish and chips.
> It is all part of our culture and yet the E.u wants to take it from us
> and hope we will be all one big happy familiy.
>
> Never, it will never happen, there will be a civil war before
> integration happens.
You must be pretty shallow if you think changing currency will make us any
less British.
We never always used this current currency it has changed over the years, as
has our language, and weights and measures.
Thus spaketh Ad C:
> In article <08ksj1t7mj0ssvrc3a16v8k0f75hmjk70u@4ax.com>, .@_.invalid
> says...
>
>> Well done! Get your brass farthings out from under the mattress in
>> your fantasy world. The rest of us are happy to move on living in the
>> real world. If I can get a bargain by paying in Ukrainian hryvnia
>> then I'm happy to do so. Feel free to continue paying through the
>> nose in your precious currency.
>>
>
>
> What is wrong with trying to keep this country British and what is
> wrong with using our own currency? You say about getting a bargain by
> paying in Ukrainian hryvnia, I wonder how many times you have done
> that.
Why not lets go back to L, S, D or whatever currency was used before that, and
before than and before that, are we less British because we are using our
current currency of course not.
I know my identity and it doesn't bother me what currency I pay with as long
as I can afford to buy items that's all that matters.
I will always be British, no matter what currency I use, what side of the road
we drive on.....
In article <1128189444.50628fd1d53364aa7c0512e58d55138e@teran ews>, me@myself.com says...
>
> Do you only buy british products, made in Britain? I doubt it, and by
It is not always possible, but I do try to, and certainly do with Fresh
food, apart from stuf we do not grow, like tea, coffee, bananas
> not doing so you are doing more damage to the british economy than you
> could ever do by using euro.
>
I won't use the Euro, because I do not agree with it, that is the only
reason.
In article <vkjtj119o6umtj8qqenpg487k2qnamb9np@4ax.com>, .@_.invalid
says...
> I have purchased in Ukrainian hryvnia quite often. Similarly with US$,
> AUS$, CAN$ and many other currencies. Feel free to keep propping up
> rip-off Britain regardless of good value for money. Meanwhile the rest
> of us buy cost-effectively. If a British product is cost-effective,
> I'll happily buy it; if I get a better offer such as Voipbuster I'll
> buy that instead.
>
I wonder how many people really do go though the effort of buying stuff
from another country. what happens if you have a problem with the
product?
A friend of mine brought a car from the U.S.a once, but that was only
because you could not get it in this country.
I have brought software from the States a couple of times, but only
because the software is not available here. Buying things from anaother
country is not worth the hassle in most cases.
> Why not lets go back to L, S, D or whatever currency was used before that, and
> before than and before that, are we less British because we are using our
> current currency of course not.
But the currency we are using now is still ours, it do not belong to a
united States of Europe.
>
> I know my identity and it doesn't bother me what currency I pay with as long
> as I can afford to buy items that's all that matters.
> I will always be British, no matter what currency I use, what side of the road
> we drive on.....
>
We are losing more of our identity and people like you are allowing it
to happen.
In article <1128191082.123b8d3df533d5ff412657040c9ad2f4@teran ews>, me@myself.com says...
> You seem to be equating nationality with identity. Is that all you are?
But it is part of who we are.
> I know exactly who and what I am, and being born where I was has played
> precious little part in forming that. My upbringing, school, and
> community have played a much greater role in forming the values that I
> live by.
Yes, I agree,
> >
> For any law to apply to you in Britain or indeed any EU member state, it
> has to be adopted into law in the country in question. Your statement is
> a nonsense. The laws you refer to are either UK laws or don't apply to
> you.
You believe that do you? maybe you should take a look at all the laws
that have been made by the E.u and we have to abide by them.
> >
> Who keeps voting for Blair? Yes, the British public. Not the EU.
Very few of the British public voted for Blair, but then very few of the
British public voted.
>
> > It is about time we ran our country, not Europe, what have they done for
> > us anyway? sod all.
>
> Hmm, bit like the Romans.
In article <N%A%e.42224$iW5.8251@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk> , bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk says...
>
> You must be pretty shallow if you think changing currency will make us any
> less British.
It will be another thing of our country that will be lost.
>
> We never always used this current currency it has changed over the years, as
> has our language, and weights and measures.
>
In article <1128189282.55302264fded636484e8c3324a123f4c@teran ews>, me@myself.com says...
>
> That's shite. SOme of the euro economies are in decline and some are
> improving, indeed just as they were before the introduction of the euro.
> To say otherwise is to demonstrate ignorance and jingoism, informed as
> usual by f*ck all.
>
So why is it that Germany who had the strongest econamy in Europe before
the Euro have gone downhill? You can not set one intertest rate for the
amount of countries that are in the Eurozone. It is difficult enough to
set it for a country.
Anyway it do not matter what we think, we will not enter the Euro in the
next 20 years and by that time the E.u will be gone and so will the
Euro.
Already Italy is looking at going back to the Lira, the Germans want
their currency back.
In article <s7ktj11ma2pcq3ksa1l8ppb9u34lq8k47d@4ax.com>, .@_.invalid
says...
>
> Sheesh, so if I buy £10 worth of groceries, the shop will charge me
> £260? See what I mean about rip-off Britain? It would be better to pay
> in euros and suffer the currency conversion cost!
>
That was suppose to be £2.50 :-)
In article <433ed25c.8218203@news.x-privat.org>, me@here.invalid says...
..
>
> How about paying them in euros to leave? It will be a lot more use to
> them than £.
>
That is true, but then it depends where they go.
In article <MPG.1da91a16c7d5af1f9896be@news.metronet.co.uk> , graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk says...
> In article <1128189282.55302264fded636484e8c3324a123f4c@teran ews>,
> me@myself.com says...
> >
> > That's shite. SOme of the euro economies are in decline and some are
> > improving, indeed just as they were before the introduction of the euro.
> > To say otherwise is to demonstrate ignorance and jingoism, informed as
> > usual by f*ck all.
> >
>
>
> So why is it that Germany who had the strongest econamy in Europe before
> the Euro have gone downhill? You can not set one intertest rate for the
> amount of countries that are in the Eurozone. It is difficult enough to
> set it for a country.
>
> Anyway it do not matter what we think, we will not enter the Euro in the
> next 20 years and by that time the E.u will be gone and so will the
> Euro.
>
> Already Italy is looking at going back to the Lira, the Germans want
> their currency back.
>
>
You think the mess in the German economy is down to the euro, do you?
Man you know very little. You may or may not have heard of the post
Berlin wall reunification of Germany. You may or may not know about the
economic impact that that has had on the economy. Germany's problems are
not about the euro.
Anyway I am ducking out of this debate right now. It's not as if I was
trying to win your opinion over. I simply don't care what you think on
this subject. It is abundantly clear from the exchanges that ou have a
visceral dislike of Europe and it is easier to pin your perception of
the UK's prolems on it than take some more objective and resonsible view
on why the UK is in ths mire? I suppose you think that the majority view
of the EU member states re Iraq was wrong and it was right to piss
billions on what was ultimately a folly. OK it's nothing to do with the
debate but it fits with the spoonfed jingoism that you've been spouting.
In article <1128207688.a92931602559f60c253e20773efea118@teran ews>, me@myself.com says...
> You think the mess in the German economy is down to the euro, do you?
> Man you know very little. You may or may not have heard of the post
> Berlin wall reunification of Germany. You may or may not know about the
> economic impact that that has had on the economy. Germany's problems are
> not about the euro.
That did have something to do with it, but the Euro is not helping
Germany to get back.
> Anyway I am ducking out of this debate right now. It's not as if I was
> trying to win your opinion over. I simply don't care what you think on
> this subject. It is abundantly clear from the exchanges that ou have a
> visceral dislike of Europe and it is easier to pin your perception of
> the UK's prolems on it than take some more objective and resonsible view
> on why the UK is in ths mire? I suppose you think that the majority view
I don't hate Europe, I hate the E.u, there is a difference.
> of the EU member states re Iraq was wrong and it was right to piss
> billions on what was ultimately a folly. OK it's nothing to do with the
> debate but it fits with the spoonfed jingoism that you've been spouting.
>
I don't agree with the war, and we should never have gone into Iraq, but
it is not because the E.u said it was worng. I don't agree , because I
think it was wrong.
In article <qo4vj11ecta96h0or1qo2b65c81f1093gc@4ax.com>, tone@spamcop.net says...
>
> Oh they would accepot them if the purchase was big enough
> >
No they won't, they have got no system in place to accept them.
I work in a supermarket and they won't accept Euros either.
A few weeks ago, someone wanted to buy a DVD player using Euros and we
could not do it.
I do not think any shop in the city accepts Euros, I doubt it is worth
the bother considering that we are not a tourist place.
> Its irelevant what the Government wants. If shiops wish to accept
> Euros, ringits coconuts or starfish for a purchase, they can.
Of cause, but if the government made it legal tender, then the shops
could not refuse to take Euros.
> >
> >They can't do that legaly.
> Oh yes they can
I don't think so. they can refuse to take a £50 if you used it to buy
something like a tin of beans. vut if you had about £10 of shopping they
can not refuse a £50 note.
It is like the Scottish pound is legal tender here and they can not
refuse to take that./
> >
> >
> >No, We will never have the Euro, it is not working, the econamy of
> >countries in the Euro zone is going downhill.
>
> Dont you find it uncomfortable, having your head in the sand all the
> time?
>
The problem with people like you is that you are so keen on this Euro
lot that you can not see the problems.
I think it is you that have got your head stuck.
In article <8s4vj1lq5s1aes30drkr3u0afjri0cm797@4ax.com>, tone@spamcop.net says...
> Because it is costing the Germins billions for the reconstruction of
> East germany
Yes it is, but the Euro is not helping and as I said you can not have
one iterest rate for lots of countries, it do not work.
> >
> >Already Italy is looking at going back to the Lira, the Germans want
> >their currency back.
>
> Italy ? What has Italy ever done for Europe.
> (oh no I feel a Python moment coming)
> well theres roads......
>
What have Germany done for Europe, apart from cause wars?
What have the French done for Europe?
anyway this is not the place for it, so I will bow out now.
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:58:57 +0100, Ad C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
wrote:
> It is like the Scottish pound is legal tender here and they can not
>refuse to take that./
Oh he here goes again. Spouting utter bollocks.
For your information: " An interesting feature of the Scottish
banknotes issue has been the fact that they have never, apart from
under temporary provisions introduced in both World Wars, been "legal
tender" even in Scotland, although they are, of course, legal
currency. "
Note the relevant part of the quote:
. . . . they have *never*, . . . . , been legal tender *even* in
Scotland. That is they are not legal tender *anywhere*.
Go read http://www.scotbanks.org.uk/notes.htm (web site published by
the four Scottish banks) and learn. You will even find something
surprising about Bank of England notes in Scotland.
If you bother to do a bit of self improvement you could find out what
is meant by legal currency. You might consider updating here your
findings, WITH REFERENCES.
"xPat" <me@myself.com> wrote in message
news:1128160411.d32c3d70e799607cb70aa6f257419ce5@t eranews...
>...
> There is NO good or credible reason why the UK should not use Euro. The
> Government knows it and if it wasn't for the fact that Blair knows he
> would get defeated, there would be a referendum in the morning. The real
> nonsense here is that the majority that would vote no (and I accept that
> there would be a majority) would do so largely for no sound reason.
Were you not around when we tried to join the EMU?
--
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> In article <9276081.4ekEVcZZE7@ale.cx>, look@my.sig says...
>
>> I would have said that using VoipBuster is buying a service from abroad.
>> And VoipBuster denominating their service in Euros instead of UKP makes
>> sense, as it means they don't have to hedge against fluctuations in the
>> currency that most of their customers are using. They can then pass those
>> savings on, leading to a better service. Who loses? Nobody.
> customers who have to pay more for currency conversions may lose.
That's not VoipBusters problem. If your bank charges you too much for
currency exchange, get a different bank.
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"Steve Loft" <steve@nybbles.co.uk> wrote in message
news:X880f.72014$%y6.22977@fe09.news.easynews.com
> Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
>
> > Were you not around when we tried to join the EMU?
>
> When was that then? I thought there were five "tests"
> that had to be met before we would contemplate joining
> the EMU?
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Steve Loft" <steve@nybbles.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:X880f.72014$%y6.22977@fe09.news.easynews.com
>
>>Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Were you not around when we tried to join the EMU?
>>
>>When was that then? I thought there were five "tests"
>>that had to be met before we would contemplate joining
>>the EMU?
>
>
> That's for the single currency.
It's the same thing, effectively. Joining the EMU implies adopting the Euro.
--
Steve Loft
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:57:59 GMT, Steve Loft <steve@nybbles.co.uk>
wrote:
>Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
>
>> Were you not around when we tried to join the EMU?
>
>When was that then? I thought there were five "tests" that had to be met
>before we would contemplate joining the EMU?
16th September 1992
The government has suspended Britain's membership of the European
Exchange Rate Mechanism.
The UK's prime minister and chancellor tried all day to prop up a
failing pound and withdrawal from the monetary system the country
joined two years ago was the last resort.
Chancellor Norman Lamont raised interest rates from 10% to 12%, then
to 15%, and authorised the spending of billions of pounds to buy up
the sterling being frantically sold on the currency markets.
But the measures failed to prevent the pound falling lower than its
minimum level in the ERM.
The second rise in the interest rate was reversed by the beleaguered
chancellor soon after the withdrawal from the ERM, setting it at 12%.
The move is a dramatic U-turn in government policy, as only last week
Prime Minister John Major reaffirmed the government's commitment to
remaining within the mechanism.
Mr Lamont admitted it had been an extremely difficult and turbulent
day, but a Downing Street spokesman said he would not resign.
The shadow chancellor, Gordon Brown, said colossal errors of judgement
by the prime minister and chancellor had betrayed the British people.
Liberal Democrat leader Paddy Ashdown said the government's policy had
failed.
"They have lost control of the economic situation," he told the BBC.
Me wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:57:59 GMT, Steve Loft <steve@nybbles.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Were you not around when we tried to join the EMU?
>>
>>When was that then? I thought there were five "tests" that had to be met
>>before we would contemplate joining the EMU?
>
>
> 16th September 1992
>
> The government has suspended Britain's membership of the European
> Exchange Rate Mechanism.
>
The ERM is a related, but different animal to the EMU. If you have a
single currency, how can you have an exchange rate?
--
Steve Loft
In article <ha72k15jbcjn583ap64gepfc9ja2c163a6@4ax.com>, .@_.invalid
says...
> On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:48:17 +0100, Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
>
> >Were you not around when we tried to join the EMU?
>
> Rod Hull tragically died in 1999 and that was the end of Emu too.
>
>
You did not see our manager then a couple of weeks ago, when we
collected money in the shop for a local charity.
In article <1770763.5R4zDP1RYT@ale.cx>, look@my.sig says...
> > customers who have to pay more for currency conversions may lose.
>
> That's not VoipBusters problem. If your bank charges you too much for
> currency exchange, get a different bank.
>
I never said it was Voipbusters problem. It is not just the bank
charges, it is also the exchange rate as well.
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