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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:48:36 +0100, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
<bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Thus spaketh {{{{{Welcome}}}}}:
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Just a pity you can't use them via an ATA.
Is there likely to be a particular reason why they operate soft phone
only?
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 30 Aug 2005 12:16:41 GMT, abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk
> (Peter) wrote:
>
> > {{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > VoIPCheap adds more free destinations!
> > [...]
> > > http://www.voipcheap.co.uk/en/index.htmlIrelandfree
> >
> > It's hardly free if I have to buy a copy of Windows to
> > use it, is it?
> Well if like some other people you insist on using some
> crap operating system like Linux then that is your
> problem .
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:o6m8h1tnhgje0o17mb6gmc23tsg9gk49pr@4ax.com
>> On 30 Aug 2005 12:16:41 GMT, abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk
>> (Peter) wrote:
>>
>> > {{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> > > VoIPCheap adds more free destinations!
>> > [...]
>> > > http://www.voipcheap.co.uk/en/index.htmlIrelandfree
>> >
>> > It's hardly free if I have to buy a copy of Windows to
>> > use it, is it?
>
>> Well if like some other people you insist on using some
>> crap operating system like Linux then that is your
>> problem .
>
> Hmm.. Linux = crap, Windows = non-crap.
>
> Strange definitions :-))
>
> Ivor
>
>
ivor why did you choose to be a bus driver of all things, your taelnts lie
not driving buses but on groups like this lovey.
Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
>> Well if like some other people you insist on using some crap
>> operating system like Linux then that is your problem .
You shouldn't really bother responding to my posts as I have you
killfiled. I see you've still not managed to join an ESOL course yet.
> Hmm.. Linux = crap, Windows = non-crap.
> Strange definitions :-))
Never mind that my day-to-day computer uses neither, nor is it even a
PC, so a warezed copy of Windows wouldn't help.
Also, quaintly, I like to make and receive telephone calls with a
telephone. When you compare my DECT handset (approximate weight 250g)
versus a PC (approximate weight 15kg) I know which one I'd rather pick
up and take to wherever in the house I wish to make or receive calls.
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Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On 30 Aug 2005 12:16:41 GMT, abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk (Peter) wrote:
>
>
>>{{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>VoIPCheap adds more free destinations!
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>http://www.voipcheap.co.uk/en/index.htmlIrelandfree
>>
>>It's hardly free if I have to buy a copy of Windows to use it, is it?
>
> Well if like some other people you insist on using some crap operating
> system like Linux then that is your problem .
>
Linux is only crap to those that don't understand it. I use both and
each has their own strengths and weaknesses. Its a case of using the
right tool for the job. e.g. I have Windows on the desktop and Linux as
the server.
Your messages to this newsgroup probably never touched a Windows server
on its way and your newsgroup server is probably a Linux box, so a
"crap" operating system is working rather well for you ;-)
Mike <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
> Your messages to this newsgroup probably never touched a Windows
> server on its way and your newsgroup server is probably a Linux box,
> so a "crap" operating system is working rather well for you ;-)
A few quick pokes suggests his news server is probably INN running on
a Linux 2.4 box. His incoming mail server is definitely Exim 4.52,
which implies Unix (so probably Linux again.)
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"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:56:02 +0100, Brian A
> <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Just a pity you can't use them via an ATA.
> >Is there likely to be a particular reason why they operate soft phone
> >only?
>
> to reduce usage of the free service ? wouldn't do to provide it on a
> convenient DECT handset :-)
>
> Phil
> --
> Remember - Global Warming is only a weather forecast :-)
What's a "soft phone" and what's a dect handset?? I just installed
voipcheap a few days ago and it doesn't work. There again all I did was to
install the software, register, log on , and then tried to dial out (to
which I just get a message saying remote computer disconnected). OTOH I
have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about on this newsgroup.
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:37:18 GMT, "Interesting Ian"
<DELETETHISspam.me2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>What's a "soft phone" and what's a dect handset??
a soft phone is a software application trying to emulate a telephone
by using a computers CPU and sound facilities.
a DECT handset is a normal cordless digitial phone, plugged into
either a BT line or into an Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) which is
if you like an "ethernet to telephone" VoIP converter
Phil
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"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:37:18 GMT, "Interesting Ian"
> <DELETETHISspam.me2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >What's a "soft phone" and what's a dect handset??
>
> a soft phone is a software application trying to emulate a telephone
> by using a computers CPU and sound facilities.
>
> a DECT handset is a normal cordless digitial phone, plugged into
> either a BT line or into an Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) which is
> if you like an "ethernet to telephone" VoIP converter
"Stefan Kaniuk is a pillock" <me@here.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:59:18 GMT, Stefan Kaniuk said:
>
>>ivor why did you choose to be a bus driver of all things, your taelnts lie
>>not driving buses but on groups like this lovey.
>
> pillock
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yes hseil very nice thansk for taking the time to spend so much attetntion
on me very kind of you
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:53:57 +0100, Stefan Kaniuk is a pillock
> <me@here.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:59:18 GMT, Stefan Kaniuk said:
>>
>>>ivor why did you choose to be a bus driver of all things, your taelnts
>>>lie
>>>not driving buses but on groups like this lovey.
>>
>>pillock
> Takes one to know one .
> On 30 Aug 2005 15:53:29 GMT, abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk (Peter) wrote:
>
>
>>A few quick pokes suggests his news server is probably INN running on a
>>Linux 2.4 box. His incoming mail server is definitely Exim 4.52, which
>>implies Unix (so probably Linux again.)
> Don't jump to conclusions Peter our incoming and outgoing mail server is
> running on a XP 64 based system we never use ISP's mail servers sooner
> have mail stored where no one can get at it .
XP 64 for a mail server! I wouldn't be overly happy about the corporate
mail on XP 64 either until at least SP1.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:53:57 +0100, Stefan Kaniuk is a
> pillock <me@here.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:59:18 GMT, Stefan Kaniuk said:
> >
> > > ivor why did you choose to be a bus driver of all
> > > things, your taelnts lie not driving buses but on
> > > groups like this lovey.
> >
> > pillock
> Takes one to know one .
Just when I thought things were quietening down :-(
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:25:24 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>><Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:k4i9h1p6ocpamgngm6r2stv2mq7ai0gjoa@4ax.co m
>>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:53:57 +0100, Stefan Kaniuk is a
>>> pillock <me@here.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:59:18 GMT, Stefan Kaniuk said:
>>> >
>>> > > ivor why did you choose to be a bus driver of all
>>> > > things, your taelnts lie not driving buses but on
>>> > > groups like this lovey.
>>> >
>>> > pillock
>>> Takes one to know one .
>>
>>Just when I thought things were quietening down :-(
>>
>>Ivor
>>
> Things are never quiet in news groups Ivor you should have had this
> requirement wrote into the charter not that anyone takes a blind bit
> of notice of stupid news group charters .
thast rue dex but ivor i sthe big boss after all so what ivor says goes.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:21:43 +0100, steve <steve@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>>XP 64 for a mail server! I wouldn't be overly happy about the corporate
>>mail on XP 64 either until at least SP1.
> If by SP1 you are meaning service pack one XP 64 comes with it all
> ready installed .
Just to clarify that, I think it is based on Windows 2003 SP1
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:50:27 GMT, "UKHierarchy" <UK@Hierarchy.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>thast rue dex but ivor i sthe big boss after all so what ivor says goes.
> Does it I don't think so .
Thus spaketh Interesting Ian:
> "Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:qkm8h1d16b3ho2u52rv8khv7dj20s0t4er@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:56:02 +0100, Brian A
>> <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a pity you can't use them via an ATA.
>>> Is there likely to be a particular reason why they operate soft
>>> phone only?
>>
>> to reduce usage of the free service ? wouldn't do to provide it on a
>> convenient DECT handset :-)
>>
>> Phil
>> --
>> Remember - Global Warming is only a weather forecast :-)
>
> What's a "soft phone" and what's a dect handset?? I just installed
> voipcheap a few days ago and it doesn't work. There again all I did
> was to install the software, register, log on , and then tried to
> dial out (to which I just get a message saying remote computer
> disconnected). OTOH I have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking
> about on this newsgroup.
You are dialling in international format? +44 121 .... for Brum, +44 20 ....
For London etc?
"Stefan Kaniuk is a pillock" <me@here.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:50:27 GMT, Stefan Kaniuk said:
>
>>thast rue dex but ivor i sthe big boss after all so what ivor says goes.
>
> pillock
BWAAHHHHHH again thanks for spneding so much yim on me you FREAK
"Stefan Kaniuk is a pillock" <me@here.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:50:27 GMT, Stefan Kaniuk said:
>
>>thast rue dex but ivor i sthe big boss after all so what ivor says goes.
>
> pillock
> _________________________________________
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Mark Adamson wrote:
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:tak9h11s3vh29uq0ko0afh9arc5cfm6o7c@4ax.com...
>
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:21:43 +0100, steve <steve@nospam.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>XP 64 for a mail server! I wouldn't be overly happy about the corporate
>>>mail on XP 64 either until at least SP1.
>>
>>If by SP1 you are meaning service pack one XP 64 comes with it all
>>ready installed .
>
>
> Just to clarify that, I think it is based on Windows 2003 SP1
>
>
A lot of Windows XP SP2 is part of Windows 2003 SP1, the Version of
winsocks is.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk (Peter) wrote:
[...]
>> A few quick pokes suggests his news server is probably INN running
>> on a Linux 2.4 box. His incoming mail server is definitely Exim
>> 4.52, which implies Unix (so probably Linux again.)
> Don't jump to conclusions Peter our incoming and outgoing mail
> server is running on a XP 64 based system we never use ISP's mail
> servers sooner have mail stored where no one can get at it .
What jumping to conclusions? I did this through bog standard network
forensics/diagnostics, and my working is shown at the end of this message.
You may well be using XP internally, but a single-user graphical
shell, while perhaps good enough for your own local needs, is too
expensive and unreliable for the kind of high-volume always-on service
that ISPs provide.
$ nc news.freedom2surf.net 119
502 You have no permission to talk. Goodbye.
That message is identical to that which my own INN2 server gives. (The
message after the 502 is free-form and varies depending on the
software used.)
Therefore I conclude that your news service probably runs on INN or a
close derivative.
TCP fingerprinting was used to guess the OS. It didn't absolutely
confirm the OS, but suggested it was most likely Linux or some sort of
load-balancer. Given that INN is a Unix rather than a Windows
application, this further points to Linux.
I thus conclude that your mail is handled by Exim 4.52.
The results of TCP fingerprinting was inconclusive. However Exim is
also a Unix program, so it is unlikely that this was running on
something Windows-based.
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- Mark Twain
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On 30 Aug 2005 15:53:29 GMT, abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk (Peter) wrote:
>
>
>
>>A few quick pokes suggests his news server is probably INN running on
>>a Linux 2.4 box. His incoming mail server is definitely Exim 4.52,
>>which implies Unix (so probably Linux again.)
>
> Don't jump to conclusions Peter our incoming and outgoing mail server
> is running on a XP 64 based system we never use ISP's mail servers
> sooner have mail stored where no one can get at it .
err,
host -t mx blueyonder.co.uk reports that your incoming mail is relayed to
so, the incoming mail server at the email address that you present is as
stated above.
Fingerprinting suggests that this host is likely to be running either
linux or an embedded version of linux.
If blueyonder have a service whereby they forward the email to customers
boxes (which they haven't, much less forward them to other peoples
customers hosts) in the same way that demon used to is another matter.
Since your host doesn't appear to be permanently up, this would be a bad
idea anyway.
> >
> >It's hardly free if I have to buy a copy of Windows to use it, is it?
> Well if like some other people you insist on using some crap operating
> system like Linux then that is your problem .
>
>
Linux is not crap, not by a long way. It is Windows that is the problem.
but then if you want to spend your money on supporting Microcrap, then
that is up to you.
>Linux is not crap, not by a long way. It is Windows that is the problem.
>but then if you want to spend your money on supporting Microcrap, then
>that is up to you.
I always love this argument and name calling.
If Linux was so bloody good then it would be far more dominant than it
is today.
Face facts - Windows XP and Windows 2003 server are very good
products.
"Me" <me@me.me> wrote in message
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> > Linux is not crap, not by a long way. It is Windows
> > that is the problem. but then if you want to spend your
> > money on supporting Microcrap, then that is up to you.
>
>
> I always love this argument and name calling.
>
> If Linux was so bloody good then it would be far more
> dominant than it is today.
I'm willing to bet it or another Unix variant probably runs on the
majority of internet servers.
> Face facts - Windows XP and Windows 2003 server are very
> good products.
For some purposes, not others. They are, IMHO I should add, not as good as
Linux and other Unix variants for server use.
> Keep using Linux but stop slagging off Microsoft.
Not slagging off, merely stating opinions. I happen to be very fond of
Novell Netware, but it has suffered at the hands of both Microsoft and
Linux/Unix for network servers over the last few years.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:01:07 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>> I happen to be very fond of
>>Novell Netware, but it has suffered at the hands of both Microsoft and
>>Linux/Unix for network servers over the last few years.
> Julius Ceaser used Novel didn't he Ivor it is now 2005 and the age of
> 64 bit processors and operating systems have arrived get with it !!.
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