Voipdiscount Outgoing Calls with Sipgate Incoming Calls on a Linksys PAP2

I've just hooked up a Linsys PAP2T to my router and have configured it
to dial out and receive calls using Voipdiscount.

I can't help thinking that Voipdiscount will drop the free calls to UK
landlines
at some point and so ideally what I'd like to do, is to have a 'known'
incoming
Voip provider such as Sipgate or Draytel and use the Voipdiscount for
outgoing calls only.

has anyone managed to configure their Linksys PAP2 to do just that using
a single telephone plugged in?

Any tips appreciated

many thanks in advance

s

Giganews wrote:
> I've just hooked up a Linsys PAP2T to my router and have configured it
> to dial out and receive calls using Voipdiscount.
>
> I can't help thinking that Voipdiscount will drop the free calls to UK
> landlines
> at some point and so ideally what I'd like to do, is to have a 'known'
> incoming
> Voip provider such as Sipgate or Draytel and use the Voipdiscount for
> outgoing calls only.
>
> has anyone managed to configure their Linksys PAP2 to do just that using
> a single telephone plugged in?
>
> Any tips appreciated
>
> many thanks in advance
>
> s

Yes, just sign up to Voxalot.com (free) and register as many providers
as you like (including Voipdiscount) with them. You then configure your
PAP2 to use Voxalot instead of Voipdiscount as your provider.

Within Voxalot create a dialplan to use Voipdiscount for your preferred
destinations (01xxx, 02xxx 00xxx for instance).

The result is that outgoing calls are as seamless as you have at
present AND incoming calls to any of your registered numbers will ring
the telephone connected to your PAP2.

Works a treat.

Oldie

Hi Oldie,
Do you have an an example of a UK dialplan, the thought of putting one
together from scratch seems a bit daunting.

Cheers
"Oldie" <realoldie@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Giganews wrote:
>> I've just hooked up a Linsys PAP2T to my router and have configured it
>> to dial out and receive calls using Voipdiscount.
>>
>> I can't help thinking that Voipdiscount will drop the free calls to UK
>> landlines
>> at some point and so ideally what I'd like to do, is to have a 'known'
>> incoming
>> Voip provider such as Sipgate or Draytel and use the Voipdiscount for
>> outgoing calls only.
>>
>> has anyone managed to configure their Linksys PAP2 to do just that using
>> a single telephone plugged in?
>>
>> Any tips appreciated
>>
>> many thanks in advance
>>
>> s
>
> Yes, just sign up to Voxalot.com (free) and register as many providers
> as you like (including Voipdiscount) with them. You then configure your
> PAP2 to use Voxalot instead of Voipdiscount as your provider.
>
> Within Voxalot create a dialplan to use Voipdiscount for your preferred
> destinations (01xxx, 02xxx 00xxx for instance).
>
> The result is that outgoing calls are as seamless as you have at
> present AND incoming calls to any of your registered numbers will ring
> the telephone connected to your PAP2.
>
> Works a treat.
>
> Oldie
>

I've now set up Voxalot with -

020 numbers outbound via Voipdiscount which works
07 numbers via Draytel which does not register and does not work

I've now got no incoming calls to my PAP2.

Any ideas guys?

"Giganews" <syed.shah@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:J7ednRyeNawC-LrYRVnytw@giganews.com...
> Hi Oldie,
> Do you have an an example of a UK dialplan, the thought of putting one
> together from scratch seems a bit daunting.
>
> Cheers
> "Oldie" <realoldie@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160168093.496909.198610@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Giganews wrote:
>>> I've just hooked up a Linsys PAP2T to my router and have configured it
>>> to dial out and receive calls using Voipdiscount.
>>>
>>> I can't help thinking that Voipdiscount will drop the free calls to UK
>>> landlines
>>> at some point and so ideally what I'd like to do, is to have a 'known'
>>> incoming
>>> Voip provider such as Sipgate or Draytel and use the Voipdiscount for
>>> outgoing calls only.
>>>
>>> has anyone managed to configure their Linksys PAP2 to do just that using
>>> a single telephone plugged in?
>>>
>>> Any tips appreciated
>>>
>>> many thanks in advance
>>>
>>> s
>>
>> Yes, just sign up to Voxalot.com (free) and register as many providers
>> as you like (including Voipdiscount) with them. You then configure your
>> PAP2 to use Voxalot instead of Voipdiscount as your provider.
>>
>> Within Voxalot create a dialplan to use Voipdiscount for your preferred
>> destinations (01xxx, 02xxx 00xxx for instance).
>>
>> The result is that outgoing calls are as seamless as you have at
>> present AND incoming calls to any of your registered numbers will ring
>> the telephone connected to your PAP2.
>>
>> Works a treat.
>>
>> Oldie
>>
>
>

Giganews explained on 07/10/2006 :
> I've now set up Voxalot with -
>
> 020 numbers outbound via Voipdiscount which works
> 07 numbers via Draytel which does not register and does not work
>
> I've now got no incoming calls to my PAP2.
>
> Any ideas guys?
>

I would use www.voipcheap.com for 07 numbers.

Are you now saying Sipgate won't work on inbound calls?

I gave up on Sipgate and went for Draytel.

So through Voxalot, I can get outbound but not inbound on Voipdiscount and
neuther
outbound or inbound on Draytel.

Any help appreciated.

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.3b5e7d6ab9163ced.48968@blueyonder.invalid. ..
> Giganews explained on 07/10/2006 :
>> I've now set up Voxalot with -
>>
>> 020 numbers outbound via Voipdiscount which works
>> 07 numbers via Draytel which does not register and does not work
>>
>> I've now got no incoming calls to my PAP2.
>>
>> Any ideas guys?
>>
>
> I would use www.voipcheap.com for 07 numbers.
>
> Are you now saying Sipgate won't work on inbound calls?
>
>

On 2006-10-07, Mike Ball <mike@dotcom.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:22:16 +0100, Jono wrote:
>
>> Are you now saying Sipgate won't work on inbound calls?
>
> Aren't Sipgate blocking un-authenticated (i.e. non peering partner)
> incoming calls, though I don't know if this applies to incoming calls from
> voxalot?

You are basically correct about Sipgate's policy but if there is a
registration request from VoXaLot which is accepted then there is
authentication.

Brian.

Giganews wrote:
> Hi Oldie,
> Do you have an an example of a UK dialplan, the thought of putting one
> together from scratch seems a bit daunting.

You do it on a line-by-line basis. For example, my line 1 reads

1 _01. ${EXTEN} Voipdiscount Yes

Which means: If the number starts with 01, route it through
Voipdiscount. The "Yes" meams that it's active. Then I do the same for
_02, _00 etc.

Oldie

Giganews wrote:
> I've now set up Voxalot with -
>
> 020 numbers outbound via Voipdiscount which works
> 07 numbers via Draytel which does not register and does not work
>
> I've now got no incoming calls to my PAP2.
>
> Any ideas guys?

When you set up a Provider, remember to set Sip Register to "Yes" so
that it will handle incoming calls. Otherwise it will be outgoing only
(and some providers don't need to be registered to let you make
outgoing calls).

It can take up to 24 hours to register a provider. I have no experience
with Draytel, but most others handle incoming calls OK. If you have a
problem with a provider not handling inbound calls to Voxalot, a
workaround that I have found is to have the provider divert to a SIP
provider that does. An example mighrt be Free World Dialup. Divert to
*393yourid in that case.

Oldie

Jono wrote:

(snipped)

> Are you now saying Sipgate won't work on inbound calls?

Sipgate works fine on inbound calls to Voxalot for me.

Oldie

On 2006-10-07, Oldie <realoldie@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Giganews wrote:
>> I've now set up Voxalot with -
>>
>> 020 numbers outbound via Voipdiscount which works
>> 07 numbers via Draytel which does not register and does not work
>>
>> I've now got no incoming calls to my PAP2.
>>
>> Any ideas guys?
>
> When you set up a Provider, remember to set Sip Register to "Yes" so
> that it will handle incoming calls. Otherwise it will be outgoing only
> (and some providers don't need to be registered to let you make
> outgoing calls).

Sound advice. Voipdiscount is one of the providers which take outgoing
calls without registration. Giganews doesn't mention whether there is a
Voipdiscount registration shown but if there is not it would account
for the lack of incoming calls from them.

> It can take up to 24 hours to register a provider. I have no experience
> with Draytel, but most others handle incoming calls OK. If you have a
> problem with a provider not handling inbound calls to Voxalot, a
> workaround that I have found is to have the provider divert to a SIP
> provider that does. An example mighrt be Free World Dialup. Divert to
> *393yourid in that case.

VoXaLot are planning to improve on the 24 hour waiting period so until
that change takes place some patience may be required. It is probably
best to set up a provider and then leave the configuation alone.

I cannot see the diversion advice working. Surely there has to be a
registration for a call on a PSTN number to get to VoXaLot?

Brian.

When I used Voipdiscount with the PAP2 and no Voxalot I could get incoming
and out going
call with no problem.

With Voxalot, Voipdiscount registered fine but could get outgoing calls
only.
With Draytel and Voxalot the registration is coming up as failed so I've no
idea what's wrong
there and I have £20 of credit with them too.......

The joys of being a newbie!


"Oldie" <realoldie@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Giganews wrote:
>> Hi Oldie,
>> Do you have an an example of a UK dialplan, the thought of putting one
>> together from scratch seems a bit daunting.
>
> You do it on a line-by-line basis. For example, my line 1 reads
>
> 1 _01. ${EXTEN} Voipdiscount Yes
>
> Which means: If the number starts with 01, route it through
> Voipdiscount. The "Yes" meams that it's active. Then I do the same for
> _02, _00 etc.
>
> Oldie
>

Brian wrote:

(snipped)

> > It can take up to 24 hours to register a provider. I have no experience
> > with Draytel, but most others handle incoming calls OK. If you have a
> > problem with a provider not handling inbound calls to Voxalot, a
> > workaround that I have found is to have the provider divert to a SIP
> > provider that does. An example mighrt be Free World Dialup. Divert to
> > *393yourid in that case.
>
> VoXaLot are planning to improve on the 24 hour waiting period so until
> that change takes place some patience may be required. It is probably
> best to set up a provider and then leave the configuation alone.
>
> I cannot see the diversion advice working. Surely there has to be a
> registration for a call on a PSTN number to get to VoXaLot?

Maybe I wasn't too clear. It was a bit late when I wrote that. What I
meant was that you can open an account with FWD and have it forward all
incoming calls to a provider such as Sipgate, which in my case works
well with Voxalot for inbound calls.

Then, if you have a provider (Draytel in the OP's case) with which you
are having trouble inbound to Voxalot, arrange for it to forward all
its incoming calls to FWD. The incoming call then goes Draytel -> FWD
-> Sipgate. If this forwarding is at SIP level there will be no charge.
This obviously relies on Draytel offering a facility to redirect calls
another SIP provider. (I don't know if it does).

You could of course go Draytel -> Sipgate directly, but not all
providers have reciprocal peering arrangements. They pretty well all
seem to have one with FWD, though.

In this scenario, the only provider that needs to be registered with
Voxalot for incoming calls is Sipgate, although Draytel will need to be
registered as well if you want to use it for outgoing calls.

Oldie

On 2006-10-08, Mike <mike@dotcom.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:53:02 +0000 (UTC), Brian wrote:
>
>> You are basically correct about Sipgate's policy but if there is a
>> registration request from VoXaLot which is accepted then there is
>> authentication.
>
> Uhmm, I'm a little confused on this now! I currently have two providers,
> Sipgate and Voiptalk setup on my SPA1001's two lines, but the original idea
> was to use the Voiptalk number for incoming only and route it to Sipgate,
> thus only using one line, leaving the second free for a cheapo/free
> provider.

As I am sure you appreciate your original idea will not work because if
you divert to <user_number@sipgate.co.uk> Sipgate will not accept the
call. Any SIP call has to come from a registered Sipgate line or a
source they have a special arrangement with. Closed networks - don't you
just love them?

If you have a fixed IP number why not divert directly to your ATA? Even
with a dynamic IP you could arrange to do that.

> Are you saying that I could route first to Voxalot and then to
> Sipgate and this would work?

Voxalot registers with Sipgate on your behalf so Sipgate is happy with a
SIP call originating from there. You should be able to divert your
Voiptalk number to Voxalot and, with the right dial plan, have Voxalot
send the call to your phone via Sipgate.

Brian.

Mike wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:53:02 +0000 (UTC), Brian wrote:
>
> > You are basically correct about Sipgate's policy but if there is a
> > registration request from VoXaLot which is accepted then there is
> > authentication.
>
> Uhmm, I'm a little confused on this now! I currently have two providers,
> Sipgate and Voiptalk setup on my SPA1001's two lines, but the original idea
> was to use the Voiptalk number for incoming only and route it to Sipgate,
> thus only using one line, leaving the second free for a cheapo/free
> provider. Are you saying that I could route first to Voxalot and then to
> Sipgate and this would work?

Your original idea is good. It will do what you want, since Voiptalk
allows you to route to other providers. What Brian meant (I think) is
that if you register your Sipgate account with Voxalot and that if
Voxalot accepts that registration it will work even though there is no
peering arrangement.

In my experience this is the case, and I use Sipgate this way. For your
case there would seem to be no advantage, though if you would like to
make outgoing calls from both your Voiptalk and Sipgate accounts this
is an option. You can then add other providers as you wish.

Oldie

Oldie wrote:

(snipped)

> Your original idea is good.

To follow up on my own post (bad netiquette, I know) I've just read
Brian's post and I think I might be confused myself. I thought I had
redirected to Sipgate, but then I've routed and rerouted so many times
I can't now be sure what configurations work and which don't! I'll have
to check my setups.

Still, as we both said, Voxalot will do it!

Oldie

On 2006-10-08, Oldie <realoldie@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Brian wrote:
>
> (snipped)
>
>> > It can take up to 24 hours to register a provider. I have no experience
>> > with Draytel, but most others handle incoming calls OK. If you have a
>> > problem with a provider not handling inbound calls to Voxalot, a
>> > workaround that I have found is to have the provider divert to a SIP
>> > provider that does. An example mighrt be Free World Dialup. Divert to
>> > *393yourid in that case.

[A small snip]

>> I cannot see the diversion advice working. Surely there has to be a
>> registration for a call on a PSTN number to get to VoXaLot?
>
> Maybe I wasn't too clear. It was a bit late when I wrote that. What I
> meant was that you can open an account with FWD and have it forward all
> incoming calls to a provider such as Sipgate, which in my case works
> well with Voxalot for inbound calls.

I would question FWD -> Sipgate being possible. Not having a FWD account
I cannot make a direct test but from a Voxalot account *211<sipgate_no>
fails. Sipgate have a policy of not accepting a SIP URI so, unless they
have made an exception for calls from FWD, my expectation of success is
low.

> Then, if you have a provider (Draytel in the OP's case) with which you
> are having trouble inbound to Voxalot, arrange for it to forward all
> its incoming calls to FWD. The incoming call then goes Draytel -> FWD
> -> Sipgate. If this forwarding is at SIP level there will be no charge.
> This obviously relies on Draytel offering a facility to redirect calls
> another SIP provider. (I don't know if it does).

Even if Draytel allowed redirection to a SIP URI (and their FAQ says
they don't) the FWD -> Sipgate link will likely break.

> You could of course go Draytel -> Sipgate directly, but not all
> providers have reciprocal peering arrangements. They pretty well all
> seem to have one with FWD, though.
>
> In this scenario, the only provider that needs to be registered with
> Voxalot for incoming calls is Sipgate, although Draytel will need to be
> registered as well if you want to use it for outgoing calls.

Your ideas are spot on and indicate how useful VoIP can be. Substitute
'Voipfone' or 'Voiptalk' for 'Sipgate' and they would work. To get what
he wants the OP will have to look to Voxalot because one of his
providers, Sipgate, does not offer redirection at all and, in addition,
will not accept unauthenticated calls, and the other provider, Draytel,
does not redirect to a SIP number.

Brian.

"Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]

> I would question FWD -> Sipgate being possible. Not
> having a FWD account I cannot make a direct test but from
> a Voxalot account *211<sipgate_no> fails. Sipgate have a
> policy of not accepting a SIP URI so, unless they have
> made an exception for calls from FWD, my expectation of
> success is low.

FWD are a recognised peering partner, so it should work, but the
authentication process got broke accidentally when the new policy was
implemented. If it isn't already fixed, it should be soon, Gradwell went
off at the same time and I know that is now back, as I've tested it, but I
haven't tried with FWD.

Ivor

On 2006-10-08, Mike <mike@dotcom.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:03:40 +0000 (UTC), Brian wrote:
>
>> As I am sure you appreciate your original idea will not work because if
>> you divert to <user_number@sipgate.co.uk> Sipgate will not accept the
>> call.
>
> Unfortunately, I didn't at the time :(

If you obtained your information from the Sipgate website there is no
mention of it there.

>> If you have a fixed IP number why not divert directly to your ATA? Even
>> with a dynamic IP you could arrange to do that.
>
> I haven't really looked at this, but wouldn't it tie up a line also?

Suppose you register Line 1 with Sipgate. You can make calls and receive
calls on your Sipgate number. Go to your Voiptalk account and divert
your PSTN number to <your_IP>:5060. That's assuming Line 1 is listening
on port 5060. Open port 5060 on your router and forward it to the ATA.
You can now receive calls on the Voiptalk number. The second line is
still free to do what you want with.

>> You should be able to divert your Voiptalk number to Voxalot and
>> with the right dial plan, have Voxalot send the call to your phone via Sipgate.
>
> Thanks, that's good to know. I already have a voxalot account but it's not
> being used presently. I'll have to have a play. Not sure why I'd need a
> dial plan though, as all calls would be routed onto Spgate?

I'm not sure why either but have a read and try it without. Personally
I'd use the previous method as Voxalot introduces another point of
failure.

Brian.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:egbqvc$fe6$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk
>
> [snip]
>
> > I would question FWD -> Sipgate being possible. Not
> > having a FWD account I cannot make a direct test but
> > from a Voxalot account *211<sipgate_no> fails. Sipgate
> > have a policy of not accepting a SIP URI so, unless
> > they have made an exception for calls from FWD, my
> > expectation of success is low.
>
> FWD are a recognised peering partner, so it should work,
> but the authentication process got broke accidentally
> when the new policy was implemented. If it isn't already
> fixed, it should be soon, Gradwell went off at the same
> time and I know that is now back, as I've tested it, but
> I haven't tried with FWD.
> Ivor

Update - I have just tried a test from my FWD account to a Sipgate account
and it works fine, although you need to dial in the international format
using the PSTN number, not the SIP ID.

For example, to call my speaking clock on Sipgate, SIP ID 1431320 (PSTN
020 7043 1320), you would dial:

**777 (the code to connect to Sipgate) followed by the international code
for the UK 44 followed by the PSTN number without the initial 0, so:

**777442070431320

The same procedure works from Gradwell and I presume other legitmate
peering partners.


Ivor

Mike wrote:
> On 8 Oct 2006 13:19:11 -0700, Oldie wrote:
>
> > Your original idea is good. It will do what you want, since Voiptalk
> > allows you to route to other providers.
>
> Not quite, since Sipgate doesn't have peering with Voiptalk and rejects the
> incoming calls.

You're quite right; I've just tried all combinations. Sorry for the
misinformation. I'm sure it worked at one time, didn't it?

> > there would seem to be no advantage, though if you would like to
> > make outgoing calls from both your Voiptalk and Sipgate accounts this
> > is an option.
>
> The advantage is to free up the second line on the ATA for another outgoing
> provider, as I only want to use Voiptalk for incoming.

Yes, I understand that. What I meant was that there would be no
advantage in using Voxalot, though now of course I see that there is!

Oldie

Sorry to follow up on my own post but..................

I can now dial out using both Voipdiscount and Draytel and my Voxalot
dialplan seems to pick up and utilise the
correct vsp depending on 020 or 07 etc

Line 1 on my PAP2 is registered to Voxalot, alas, I still can not get any
inbound calls........

The situation is getting better..........

Thanks all for the tips/discussion/interest

"Giganews" <syed.shah@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> When I used Voipdiscount with the PAP2 and no Voxalot I could get incoming
> and out going
> call with no problem.
>
> With Voxalot, Voipdiscount registered fine but could get outgoing calls
> only.
> With Draytel and Voxalot the registration is coming up as failed so I've
> no idea what's wrong
> there and I have £20 of credit with them too.......
>
> The joys of being a newbie!
>
>
> "Oldie" <realoldie@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160254697.976779.313790@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> Giganews wrote:
>>> Hi Oldie,
>>> Do you have an an example of a UK dialplan, the thought of putting one
>>> together from scratch seems a bit daunting.
>>
>> You do it on a line-by-line basis. For example, my line 1 reads
>>
>> 1 _01. ${EXTEN} Voipdiscount Yes
>>
>> Which means: If the number starts with 01, route it through
>> Voipdiscount. The "Yes" meams that it's active. Then I do the same for
>> _02, _00 etc.
>>
>> Oldie
>>
>
>

[Some rearrangement and snipping of the original post made.]

On 2006-10-09, Giganews <syed.shah@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> "Giganews" <syed.shah@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:WOCdnY9Ty-kCvbTYnZ2dnUVZ8s2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> When I used Voipdiscount with the PAP2 and no Voxalot I could get
>> incoming and out going call with no problem.
>>
>> With Voxalot, Voipdiscount registered fine but could get outgoing
>> calls only. With Draytel and Voxalot the registration is coming up
>> as failed so I've no idea what's wrong there and I have £20 of credit
>> with them too.......
>>
>> The joys of being a newbie!
>>
> Sorry to follow up on my own post but..................
>
> I can now dial out using both Voipdiscount and Draytel and my Voxalot
> dialplan seems to pick up and utilise the correct vsp depending on 020
> or 07 etc
>
> Line 1 on my PAP2 is registered to Voxalot, alas, I still can not get
> any inbound calls........
>
> The situation is getting better..........
>
> Thanks all for the tips/discussion/interest

You could try this. On the Call Forwarding page at Voxalot have the
default as sip:613@fwd.pulver.com. Make it active and save. In less than
a minute it will take effect.

Dial your Draytel number from your ordinary phone. If you get an echo
test it shows that Draytel can find you at Voxalot. The question would
then be why Voxalot does not ring your VoIP phone.

Brian.