Vonage / Draytel

Brian wrote :
> On 2006-09-08, Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Brian was thinking very hard :
>
> Too true. It can be debilitating at times.
>
>>
>>>
>>> 10 minutes ago the telephone number 02070997992 was unallocated to
>>> anyone. Does that mean it is free for me to use?
>>
>> It would be pointless, though as no-one could actually guess the
>> correct number to reach you on.
>
> I should have been more detailed. The number will be used when filling
> out forms on websites, questionaires and surveys and in any transaction
> with double-glazing salespeople. In fact, any time I don't want to be
> contacted I'll give out that number. Now what could happen when the
> number is put into use?
>
> The primary aim of using the redyonder domain is to avoid receiving
> spam. A secondary aim is to give a rather lame hint as to the correct
> domain in order to receive mail. The benefit is truly in one direction
> only. My phone number example was constructed to illustrate that.
>
> Brian.

Yes, sorry, I understood all that - was being obtuse.

Jono wrote:
> Ivor Jones expressed precisely :
>> "Carl Waring" <carl.waring@REDyonder.co.uk> wrote in
>> message
>> news:HEeMg.15786$r61.12868@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk
>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> There is a specific top level domain reserved for the
>>>> purposes of spam trapping - invalid - try it.
>>>>
>>>> Ivor
>>>
>>> That being the case, I certainly *won't* be using it. If
>>> spammers know about it, it's a fair bet they can easily
>>> circumvent it :-)
>>
>> No, because DNS servers have no way of routing to it.
>
> I think his point is, if you use .invald, what's to stop a spammer
> rewriting all its havested .invalid addresses as .co.uk &/or .com.
>
> The whole point of his REDyonder address is that a person could make a
> judgement & figure out that it's BLUE not RED.

Phew! We got there in the end!

--
Carl Waring
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"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.43f67d69bfe67484.48968@blueyonder.invalid
> Ivor Jones expressed precisely :
> > "Carl Waring" <carl.waring@REDyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> > message
> > news:HEeMg.15786$r61.12868@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk
> > > Ivor Jones wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > > There is a specific top level domain reserved for
> > > > the purposes of spam trapping - invalid - try it.
> > > >
> > > > Ivor
> > >
> > > That being the case, I certainly *won't* be using it.
> > > If spammers know about it, it's a fair bet they can
> > > easily circumvent it :-)
> >
> > No, because DNS servers have no way of routing to it.
>
> I think his point is, if you use .invald, what's to stop
> a spammer rewriting all its havested .invalid addresses
> as .co.uk &/or .com.

Absolutely nothing, but you can use what you like before .invalid as well.

> The whole point of his REDyonder address is that a person
> could make a judgement & figure out that it's BLUE not
> RED.

True, but it is still a usable address, however unlikely, and really
shouldn't be used for this purpose.

Ivor

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:54:28 GMT, "Carl Waring"
<carl.waring@REDyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>I have been looking at Vonage (www.vonage.co.uk) but have just found another
>company called Draytel (www.draytel.org) who do PAYG with no up-front fees.
>Anyone here with them at the moment care to comment?
>
>I know there are a load of VoIP providers out there but if I'm going to use
>one I'd prefer to use one that doesn't tie me to my PC!
>
>Thanks.

Have you considred voip.co.uk? Although I had some early teething
problems which was my fault as my ATA was faulty, now they have been
sorted out I have been delighted with the service so far.

Steve