Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
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With providers like sipgate you will get a free local number with no fees
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Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:49:11 GMT, Mark <nospam@this.pc> wrote:
>
>> ¬Stephen Hammond wrote:
>>
>> With providers like sipgate you will get a free local number with no fees
> And an unpredictable level of service to go with it in respect of
> Sipgate .
Ive never had any major problems maybe a couple of disconnections but
nothing trivial
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Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
Although the OP has asked the question on uk.telecom.voip, I cannot
help but suggest that the cheapest way to get an incoming number is to
blag an old & worthless mobile from a teen who has just shelled out for
the latest mobile equivalent of a new pair of trainers and then buy a
pre-pay SIM from Virgin or whoever. Sorry to be boring, but if anyone
can beat £10...
PS. When are you guys going to stop bickering about Sipgate. Why not
meet up, have a few beers and put it to rest?
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
This is a damned good usenet group (look at the US equivalent for
comparison), so maybe putting some faces to names wouldn't go amiss.
FWIW, my local is The Flag in Bromley Cross, nr Bolton, so if you're in
the area, give me a shout. And if not, then maybe Dexter & you can
sort things out behind the bike sheds?
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
> Did you want one that:
..
> a). works
> b). works sometimes
> c). works most of the time
..
That leaves vonage in 'b' then, since Dex indicated they had issues
recently
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
<hairydog@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:19:38 +0100,
> Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > With providers like sipgate you will get a free local
> > > number with no fees
> > And an unpredictable level of service to go with it in
> > respect of Sipgate
>
> You keep saying that and I'm sure it is true for you, but
> I've been using Sipgate for months with no problems at
> all.
He's not getting any level of service from Sipgate, he's no longer a
customer..!
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
"paul123" <paul@redy.net> wrote in message
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> Not free, but 1.99 a month for UK geographic numbers from
> voiptalk.org at:
> http://www.voiptalk.org/products/UK+Geographic+Numbers
>
> costs, but the service is good.
>
> Paul
But the *cheapest* way is free, hence this doesn't qualify ;-)
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:32:51 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>But the *cheapest* way is free, hence this doesn't qualify
by the same token would a free but unreliable service fail to meet the
requirement to *have* an incoming number, as opposed to a number that
ought to be incoming but unfortunately isn't working right now :-)
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Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Chris" <chris.hopley@gmail.com.z> wrote in message
> news:1130583070.10939.0@damia.uk.clara.net
>
>>Free incoming numbers:
>>http://www.uknumber.co.uk/voip.htm
>
>
> Only 0870 or 056 though.
Yeah, but 056 is quite a good option as it is charged to the caller at
the same rate as 01 and 02, which should also mean that 056 numbers can
be called more readily from overseas (0870 is quite poor in this
respect). Plus you can have as many numbers as you like for as many SIP
addresses as you like. And you're not bound to a single VoIP provider.
Sipgate might have free geo numbers, but strictly speaking you're
limited to only one. And then you're tied to Sipgate too (which may or
may not be desirable, but let's not discuss that here... :-).
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
"Chris" <chris.hopley@gmail.com.z> wrote in message
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>
> Yeah, but 056 is quite a good option as it is charged to the caller at
> the same rate as 01 and 02, which should also mean that 056 numbers
> can be called more readily from overseas (0870 is quite poor in this
> respect).
But you cannot receive calls on 056******* numbers from most NTL
customers, because NTL have refused to enable most of their exchanges to
handle them. Until NTL are made to change their mind on this, 056
numbers are not a viable proposition.
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
>>But the *cheapest* way is free, hence this doesn't qualify ;-)
Maybe not, but let's not dismiss it totally eh? The person who started
the thread didn't specify whether they wanted local geographic numbers
or 0870/056/0845 numbers (which some people have an aversion to
calling). The latter may not be cheaper to the people who call you -
especially if they call you from abroad or from a voip account. Also,
some of these numbers (056) are not available from all voip
companies....
In my case, (living and running a small business abroad) I get more
calls to my Cambridge geographic number than my 0870, 0844 and 056
numbers. Could this be because people prefer to call "real" numbers?
What's the cheapest? Given the choice, which type of number would YOU
prefer to call? Personally, I wouldn't like to have to get rid of any
of these numbers, they all fulfill a role.....
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in
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> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:32:51 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > But the *cheapest* way is free, hence this doesn't
> > qualify
>
> by the same token would a free but unreliable service
> fail to meet the requirement to *have* an incoming
> number, as opposed to a number that ought to be incoming
> but unfortunately isn't working right now :-)
You can say the name Sipgate Phil, my name isn't Dexter..!
It's been very stable of late actually, not had any outages at all for
quite some time. Which is more than can be said for my ISP (Wanadoo) which
has been all over the place lately.
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
"Chris" <chris.hopley@gmail.com.z> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
> > "Chris" <chris.hopley@gmail.com.z> wrote in message
> > news:1130583070.10939.0@damia.uk.clara.net
> >
> > > Free incoming numbers:
> > > http://www.uknumber.co.uk/voip.htm
> >
> >
> > Only 0870 or 056 though.
>
> Yeah, but 056 is quite a good option as it is charged to
> the caller at the same rate as 01 and 02
Not always. Some telco's don't allow calls to 056 at all, NTL being a
major pain in that respect.
> which should
> also mean that 056 numbers can be called more readily
> from overseas (0870 is quite poor in this respect). Plus
> you can have as many numbers as you like for as many SIP
> addresses as you like.
How is that limited by having ordinary numbers..? I have 4 Sipgate numbers
and they all coexist quite happily.
> And you're not bound to a single
> VoIP provider. Sipgate might have free geo numbers, but
> strictly speaking you're limited to only one.
Eh..? So where have my 4 come from then...?!
> And then you're tied to Sipgate too (which may or may
> not be desirable, but let's not discuss that here... :-).
Works for me. I also have a FreeWorldDialup number before anyone thinks I
only ever use Sipgate..!
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:47:37 +0100, Chris <chris.hopley@gmail.com.z>
wrote:
>Sipgate might have free geo numbers, but strictly speaking you're
>limited to only one
Really? That's off, considering that they sell devices that work with
multiple lines (and therefore multiple number)
I only have three Sipgate numbers, but that's as many as I need. I'm
sure more are permitted.
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Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:47:37 +0100, Chris <chris.hopley@gmail.com.z>
wrote:
>056 is quite a good option as it is charged to the caller at
>the same rate as 01 and 02
I don't think that it the case. It might be true for the
ever-decreasing number of people daft enough to pay BT's call charges,
but not otherwise.
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Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
<hairydog@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:47:37 +0100, Chris
> <chris.hopley@gmail.com.z> wrote:
>
> > Sipgate might have free geo numbers, but strictly
> > speaking you're limited to only one
>
> Really? That's off, considering that they sell devices
> that work with multiple lines (and therefore multiple
> number)
>
> I only have three Sipgate numbers, but that's as many as
> I need. I'm sure more are permitted.
I have 4, although 2 are special purpose (one is my speaking clock 020
7043 1320..!) and the other is a backdoor into my PABX.
Incidentally, one of the devices Sipgate sell is capable of holding
details for 10 SIP accounts, and they can be from any provider.
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
"Julius" <julius@brampton.net> wrote in message
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> > I have 4, although 2 are special purpose (one is my
> > speaking clock 020 7043 1320..!) and the other is a
> > backdoor into my PABX
>
> Works well too, I like it
It was a project of the Telecommunications Heritage Group a few years ago.
The voice is Pat Simmonds, who was the voice of the GPO clock from 1963
until 1985.
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
> It was a project of the Telecommunications Heritage Group a few years ago.
> The voice is Pat Simmonds, who was the voice of the GPO clock from 1963
> until 1985.
Is this number on sipgate??
If it is, I cannot dial it (using a sipgate account), it keeps getting
busy (unless of course it is extremely popular and maybe it is),
it is working OK via sipdiscount.
I thought sipgate calls between subscriber numbers are free
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
"Julius" <julius@brampton.net> wrote in message
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> > It was a project of the Telecommunications Heritage
> > Group a few years ago. The voice is Pat Simmonds, who
> > was the voice of the GPO clock from 1963 until 1985.
>
> Is this number on sipgate??
Yes.
> If it is, I cannot dial it (using a sipgate account), it
> keeps getting busy (unless of course it is extremely
> popular and maybe it is),
Is your Sipgate account a non-UK (German or Austrian) one..? If so you
need to dial the number using the full number in international format, the
SIP ID on its own won't work. Try 0044 20 7043 1320.
> it is working OK via sipdiscount.
Interesting..!
> I thought sipgate calls between subscriber numbers are
> free
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
> Is your Sipgate account a non-UK (German or Austrian) one..? If so you
> need to dial the number using the full number in international format, the
> SIP ID on its own won't work. Try 0044 20 7043 1320.
Ivor, a U.K. account, I have it setup to dial 020 7043 1320, which
according to sipgate docs should work
I tried it on two different accounts, it appears to get connected, but
nothing is coming through
If I check the sipgate website for calls made, I see
25/10 20:39h unknown unknown
If I call from my first account to my second account, it completes
correctly back to my Asterisk box, so it can't be that
Re: what is the cheapest way to have an incoming number ?
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Chris" wrote:
>>>>Free incoming numbers:
>>>>http://www.uknumber.co.uk/voip.htm
>>>
>>>Only 0870 or 056 though.
>>
>>Yeah, but 056 is quite a good option as it is charged to
>>the caller at the same rate as 01 and 02
>
> Not always. Some telco's don't allow calls to 056 at all, NTL being a
> major pain in that respect.
Strange. I don't understand the unwillingness to interconnect/provide
access (maybe Linus could explain...?). They earn from it, surely! And
they can set their own charges (theoretically). Perhaps once they start
offering 056 termination, they might change their tune.
>>which should
>>also mean that 056 numbers can be called more readily
>>from overseas (0870 is quite poor in this respect). Plus
>>you can have as many numbers as you like for as many SIP
>>addresses as you like.
>
> How is that limited by having ordinary numbers..? I have 4 Sipgate numbers
> and they all coexist quite happily.
I wasn't talking about technical aspects. Technically there is no
objection, of course.
>>And you're not bound to a single
>>VoIP provider. Sipgate might have free geo numbers, but
>>strictly speaking you're limited to only one.
>
> Eh..? So where have my 4 come from then...?!
Now now, Ivor! Don't be deliberately obtuse! You've got four accounts.
Which means that you would need to credit each account if you wanted to
make calls from each account (£40 instead of £10). Sipgate indicate in
their FAQ that they are considering a multi-number account, but don't
imagine for a minute that it will be free. And I don't think that it
will be long before Sipgate introduce a minimum spend per period,
because giving away free DDIs (dead handy for your * box!) without
requiring spending is simply not profitable in the medium to long term.
Which is also fair enough imho.
>>And then you're tied to Sipgate too (which may or may
>>not be desirable, but let's not discuss that here... :-).
>
> Works for me. I also have a FreeWorldDialup number before anyone thinks I
> only ever use Sipgate..!
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