We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding out u guys n gals in
this newsgroup! Tell me what you would like from our service - OR FOREVER
HOLD YOUR PEACE :-)
"Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding out u guys n gals
> in this newsgroup! Tell me what you would like from our service - OR
> FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE :-)
>
> Any takers?
> The Management.
"Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding
> out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me what you
> would like from our service
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding
>> out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me what you
>> would like from our service
>
> No spam.
>
What makes this spam? It is a genuine request. This is a group with quite
considerable discussion about the pros and cons of VOIP Service Providers.
Why dont we try and get some Do's and Dont's from knowledgeable people? I am
not advertising any site at all.
"Henry Hooray" <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
news:5bimakF2skletU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding out u guys n gals
>> in this newsgroup! Tell me what you would like from our service - OR
>> FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE :-)
>>
>> Any takers?
>> The Management.
>
> Nope.
Why not? Wont you like a good service from a provider who wants to hear your
views?
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding
>> out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me what you
>> would like from our service
>
> No spam.
I hate spam as much as the next person, spam as far as I define it is ; 1
way blatent advertising.
this message did not advertise any company or product and was a genuine
question trying to bring up a worthwhile discussion.
"Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding out u guys n gals
> in this newsgroup! Tell me what you would like from our service - OR
> FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE :-)
>
> Any takers?
> The Management.
Not sure why other have been so against your post as most people complain
companies do not listen to what potential customer want. Maybe if SIPGATE
had some respect for their customers and listen to them, they would not get
so slagged off on here.
My Needs;
I use VOIP for work, the service I need has to be rock solid, easy to
administer and with lots of functions. cost is an issue in that it should
be value for money
not cheap.
Features I like/would like in a service :
PSTN fallover/divert
Voicemail Configuration - on/off when to kick in
Decent range of DID not 0870 numbers - Willing to pay for
Competive Call charges, not silly free calls or silly overprices 20p/m
mobile calls
Work with Trixbox/Asterisk
Callme URL
Extra functions
If you can incorporate PBX type functions at a good rate then you will have
a winner, functions like :
blacklist
IVR
Call routing
On Hold Music
If you can do prompts via text files like callagenix do (not a voip provider
but a virtual pbx company) that would be great
On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:21:38 +0100, "RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com>
wrote:
>
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
>> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>>> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding
>>> out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me what you
>>> would like from our service
>>
>> No spam.
>
>I hate spam as much as the next person, spam as far as I define it is ; 1
>way blatent advertising.
>this message did not advertise any company or product and was a genuine
>question trying to bring up a worthwhile discussion.
I agree, it the post did not advertise anything, so it might not be
considerd as spam - unless you consider it as market research spam.
I am going to give it the botd.
O.K., I was hoping I wouildn't be the first here ...
1. Obvious stuff like reliability and good quality audio.
2. Good prices including a flat rate to landlines like voip.co.uk and
vyke.co.uk. Decent mobile rates.
3. Good voicemail facility.
4. MUST work with Voxalot.
5. Usual inclusive 'network services' (i.e. 1471 etc.) additions.
6. Inclusive geo incoming number.
"Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
> > "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> > news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> > > We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are
> > > sounding out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me
> > > what you would like from our service
> >
> > No spam.
> >
> What makes this spam?
It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
> It is a genuine request. This is a
> group with quite considerable discussion about the pros
> and cons of VOIP Service Providers. Why dont we try and
> get some Do's and Dont's from knowledgeable people? I am
> not advertising any site at all.
"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:j6oa535sum1fjgqvgb3lh9cl2fqqsdkikm@4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:21:38 +0100, "RH"
> <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
> > > "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> > > news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> > > > We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are
> > > > sounding out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell
> > > > me what you would like from our service
> > >
> > > No spam.
> >
> > I hate spam as much as the next person, spam as far as
> > I define it is ; 1 way blatent advertising.
> > this message did not advertise any company or product
> > and was a genuine question trying to bring up a
> > worthwhile discussion.
> I agree, it the post did not advertise anything, so it
> might not be considerd as spam - unless you consider it
> as market research spam.
It's still spam. It was unsolicited and the poster doesn't give an email
address that is valid, nor a website to check out. Not signs of a
reputable company IMO.
> I am going to give it the botd.
>
> O.K., I was hoping I wouildn't be the first here ...
> 1. Obvious stuff like reliability and good quality audio.
> 2. Good prices including a flat rate to landlines like
> voip.co.uk and vyke.co.uk. Decent mobile rates.
> 3. Good voicemail facility.
> 4. MUST work with Voxalot.
> 5. Usual inclusive 'network services' (i.e. 1471 etc.)
> additions.
> 6. Inclusive geo incoming number.
>
> Now, the above should create some comment... :-)
"RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote in message
news:f33no7$8qr$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
> > We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding
> > out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me what you
> > would like from our service - OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR
> > PEACE :-) Any takers?
> > The Management.
>
> Not sure why other have been so against your post as most
> people complain companies do not listen to what potential
> customer want. Maybe if SIPGATE had some respect for
> their customers and listen to them, they would not get so
> slagged off on here.
Strange, I've never had any issues with them. At least they have an
accessible website and email addresses that work.
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
>>> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>>>> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are
>>>> sounding out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me
>>>> what you would like from our service
>>> No spam.
>>>
>> What makes this spam?
>
> It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
In that case, every single root message is spam.
>
>> It is a genuine request. This is a
>> group with quite considerable discussion about the pros
>> and cons of VOIP Service Providers. Why dont we try and
>> get some Do's and Dont's from knowledgeable people? I am
>> not advertising any site at all.
>
> Of course not.
>
> <Plonk>
>
> Ivor
>
>
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:j6oa535sum1fjgqvgb3lh9cl2fqqsdkikm@4ax.com
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:21:38 +0100, "RH"
>> <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
>>>> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>>>>> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are
>>>>> sounding out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell
>>>>> me what you would like from our service
>>>> No spam.
>>> I hate spam as much as the next person, spam as far as
>>> I define it is ; 1 way blatent advertising.
>>> this message did not advertise any company or product
>>> and was a genuine question trying to bring up a
>>> worthwhile discussion.
>> I agree, it the post did not advertise anything, so it
>> might not be considerd as spam - unless you consider it
>> as market research spam.
>
> It's still spam. It was unsolicited and the poster doesn't give an email
> address that is valid, nor a website to check out.
Make up your mind. If they had posted a web site you'd be complaining it
was spam now you are complaining its spam because they didn't post a web
site! FFS!
Infant Newbie wrote:
> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding out u guys n gals in
> this newsgroup! Tell me what you would like from our service - OR FOREVER
> HOLD YOUR PEACE :-)
>
> Any takers?
> The Management.
>
>
First ignore Ivor.
Second, number one top of the list is reliability. The telephone is one
of those pieces of equipment that people pick up and expect to work
first time, every time. In fact for a PSTN or PBX phone not to work is
so rare as to be unimaginable these days. Some VOIP services on the
other hand can be unreliable and if your system doesn't work then
customers will walk. I recall the days I used to work in local radio
when digital audio systems were the new thing. We had to keep the
servers and playout systems up 24x7 365. Even a few minutes downtime was
a disaster as listeners would just retune to a different station and
that means lost revenue for a commercial station.
Next comes call quality - If it sounds ropey then no matter what the
call costs people won't use it for long.
Next is call cost. I suggest you don't aim to be the cheapest and I
guess there is only so low you can go anyway.
Then comes interoperability. You need to support a wide range of phones
and other VOIP providers. For me I'd want to see Asterisk support as well.
And the foundation stone & secret ingredient that will keep you going
and bring in new clients every day - First class customer service & support.
>> Not sure why other have been so against your post as most
>> people complain companies do not listen to what potential
>> customer want. Maybe if SIPGATE had some respect for
>> their customers and listen to them, they would not get so
>> slagged off on here.
>
> Strange, I've never had any issues with them. At least they have an
> accessible website and email addresses that work.
Ivor never said you had issues, never said I had issues with sipgate but
others had, any kind of company being proactive
with customer feedback should be welcomed.
uk.telecom.voip would be far better if we had more good constructive
threads. Finding what people like in an ISP service is far more
constructive than your pointless THIS IS SPAM messages, sometimes I think
you enjoy being spammed so you can get into high and mighty
BS mode like a over zealous traffic warden.
On 23 May, 18:17, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Infant Newbie" <inf...@newbie.new> wrote in message
>
> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
> > We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are sounding
> > out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me what you
> > would like from our service
>
> No spam.
>
That's right, this is no spam. So they are off to a good start on that
requirement then.
With a Breidbart Index of precisely 1 it bears no resemblance at all
to the accepted definitions of usenet spam.
Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
>>> news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>>>> We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are
>>>> sounding out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me
>>>> what you would like from our service
>>> No spam.
>>>
>> What makes this spam?
>
> It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
No it's not.
The OP was not spam.
On the other hand, if your reply was an answer to the question
suggesting that "no spam" was something you would like to see from the
OPs service, then good - I second the suggestion.
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:34:42 +0100, "RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com>
> wrote:
> >
> Course he likes being spammed how else would he get noticed here or
> anywhere else .
And if Ivor didn't post, you'd probably lose the will to live.
"alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3292333.hLYrBQ2OVN@ale.cx
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> > "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> > news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
>
> > > What makes this spam?
> >
> > It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
>
> In your opinion. If you don't like the thread, just
> ignore it.
Tell you what, why don't you ignore me..? I won't mind, honest.
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:gs6c53lpmrltk4nb6ilunvlli02o8q22u1@4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:03:35 +0100, alexd
> <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ivor Jones wrote:
> >
> > > "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> > > news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> >
> > > > What makes this spam?
> > >
> > > It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
> >
> > In your opinion. If you don't like the thread, just
> > ignore it.
> He couldn't how else could he get himself noticed don't
> forget he OWN'S this forum or thinks he does .
Newsgroup.
Hello Ron. Tell you what, why don't you ignore me, I won't mind.
"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f356ob$1v84$3@energise.enta.net
> Ivor Jones wrote:
> > "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> > news:f32j6p$a5h$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> > > "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> > > news:5bjb8hF2srgukU1@mid.individual.net...
> > > > "Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
> > > > news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> > > > > We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are
> > > > > sounding out u guys n gals in this newsgroup!
> > > > > Tell me what you would like from our service
> > > > No spam.
> > > >
> > > What makes this spam?
> >
> > It's unsolicited. That's the definition of spam.
>
> No it's not.
Unsolicited Commercial Email. It was certainly unsolicited. It may not
have been commercial, but it looked like it to me. Email, well a newsgroup
posting may not be email, but it's close enough.
> The OP was not spam.
Yes it was.
> On the other hand, if your reply was an answer to the
> question suggesting that "no spam" was something you
> would like to see from the OPs service, then good - I
> second the suggestion.
"Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:g46dnUiCWI_ALsjbRVnytwA@pipex.net
> Ivor Jones wrote:
[snip]
> > It's still spam. It was unsolicited and the poster
> > doesn't give an email address that is valid, nor a
> > website to check out.
>
> Make up your mind. If they had posted a web site you'd be
> complaining it was spam now you are complaining its spam
> because they didn't post a web site! FFS!
Irrelevant. It would have been spam whether they had or not.
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:qb7c5398en5sh83bejebjk303vha441abp@4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:48:15 +0100, Desk Rabbit
> <nospam@example.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Make up your mind. If they had posted a web site you'd
> > be complaining it was spam now you are complaining its
> > spam because they didn't post a web site! FFS!
> Fick in he .
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:n47c539g2i0ojfsu6sch0orbj36cd1k357@4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:55:54 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> > It's still spam. It was unsolicited and the poster
> > doesn't give an email address that is valid, nor a
> > website to check out. Not signs of a reputable company
> > IMO.
>
> Ivor go away until till you can think of some other words
> to type besides spam there's a good chap you are totally
> obsessed with spam .
Ron go away until till you can think of some other words
to type besides Ivor go away there's a good chap you are totally
obsessed with pointless replies to me.
"NicHughes" <nichughes@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:1180046710.454467.319030@p47g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com
> On 23 May, 18:17, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid>
> wrote:
> > "Infant Newbie" <inf...@newbie.new> wrote in message
> >
> > news:f305k2$fij$1@news.freedom2surf.net
> >
> > > We will launch a new VOIP service soon. We are
> > > sounding out u guys n gals in this newsgroup! Tell me
> > > what you would like from our service
> >
> > No spam.
> >
>
> That's right, this is no spam. So they are off to a good
> start on that requirement then.
>
> With a Breidbart Index of precisely 1 it bears no
> resemblance at all to the accepted definitions of usenet
> spam.
"RH" <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote in message
news:f350dl$p6r$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk
> > > Not sure why other have been so against your post as
> > > most people complain companies do not listen to what
> > > potential customer want. Maybe if SIPGATE had some
> > > respect for their customers and listen to them, they
> > > would not get so slagged off on here.
> >
> > Strange, I've never had any issues with them. At least
> > they have an accessible website and email addresses
> > that work.
>
> Ivor never said you had issues, never said I had issues
> with sipgate but others had, any kind of company being
> proactive with customer feedback should be welcomed.
Indeed. But a company that uses a munged address and doesn't provide a
website where you can check out their products is somewhat suspicious to
my mind.
> uk.telecom.voip would be far better if we had more good
> constructive threads. Finding what people like in an ISP
> service is far more constructive than your pointless THIS
> IS SPAM messages, sometimes I think you enjoy being
> spammed so you can get into high and mighty BS mode like a over zealous
> traffic warden.
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dm7c539crd0m5odvqp3fuj18mi65ctebdd@4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:34:42 +0100, "RH"
> <rh@no-spicedham.exelsys.com> wrote:
>
>
> > . Finding what people like in an ISP service is far more
> > constructive than your pointless THIS IS SPAM messages,
> > sometimes I think you enjoy being spammed so you can
> > get into high and mighty
> > BS mode like a over zealous traffic warden.
> >
> Course he likes being spammed how else would he get
> noticed here or anywhere else .
And you don't reply to everything I post in order that you can get
noticed, do you, Ron..?
<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:9q7c53pdgi4f139e3lqk224l96g5nj7ueq@4ax.com
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:12:55 +0100, Desk Rabbit
> <nospam@example.com> wrote:
>
>
> > First ignore Ivor.
> That had to come first .
What do you want from a VOIP provider 
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