Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
<phonepro> wrote in message news:phonepro.4vo1tp@none...
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> Hi all, just a quicky. Does anyone have a clue who the biggest internet
> phone company in the world is currently. Is it skype?
> Thanks.
>
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It depends on how you define biggest.
In terms of subscribers and internal call traffic I think they must be.
In terms of paid for egress to the PSTN etc, I doubt it.
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:36:37 +0100, "Graham." <me@privacy.com> wrote:
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><phonepro> wrote in message news:phonepro.4vo1tp@none...
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>> Hi all, just a quicky. Does anyone have a clue who the biggest internet
>> phone company in the world is currently. Is it skype?
>> Thanks.
>>
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>It depends on how you define biggest.
>In terms of subscribers and internal call traffic I think they must be.
>In terms of paid for egress to the PSTN etc, I doubt it.
It also depends on what is meant by "internet phone company". If
companies that provide other telecom services in addition to VoIP
count, then probably Verizon or NTT would be the largest.
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:36:37 +0100, "Graham." <me@privacy.com>
> wrote:
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>><phonepro> wrote in message news:phonepro.4vo1tp@none...
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>>> Hi all, just a quicky. Does anyone have a clue who the
>>> biggest internet
>>> phone company in the world is currently. Is it skype?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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>>It depends on how you define biggest.
>>In terms of subscribers and internal call traffic I think they
>>must be.
>>In terms of paid for egress to the PSTN etc, I doubt it.
>
> It also depends on what is meant by "internet phone company".
> If
> companies that provide other telecom services in addition to
> VoIP
> count, then probably Verizon or NTT would be the largest.
>
It also depends what you mean by 'phone company.' If you are
talking service providers then I would have guessed one of the
Jap or Koreans as most people over there have at least one phone.
Also don't overlook BT either - they operate all over the place.
If you mean equipment in terms of equipment in VoIP telephone
systems (i.e. desk to desk) I would guess Cisco, especially after
their acquisition of Linksys and a few others.
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
Im looking at which one is biggest in terms of the number of customers,
Im talking just based on user base not revenue market cap or whatever.
Im assuming skype but I'm not 100% sure.
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
Skypes customer base is huge no wonder Microsoft paid a king's ransom
for the company have a look at the wikipedia page for skype http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype.
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
<phonepro> wrote in message news:phonepro.4vo1tp@none...
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> Hi all, just a quicky. Does anyone have a clue who the biggest internet
> phone company in the world is currently. Is it skype?
> Thanks.
>
>
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> phonepro
Voice traffic originated and carried over the Internet - Skype.
arguably not phone traffic as it is peer to peer not ITU.
Companies providing regular phone service over the Internet [using SIP]
hard to say - here in the UK there are dozens (Voipfone, Sipgate,
Gradwell etc. etc.)
Companies providing regular phone service where legs of the call are carried
over the internet. Several contenders here - AT&T, BT, Vodafone,
Telephonica (although by subscribers it is China Mobile). I suppose one
could ask query whether their backbone networks are private and so not part
of the [public] internet.
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
What type of company is skype then? Internet messaging?
The question should read what is the number one most used internet voice
communication service by average daily users. Internet phone company or
not this must be skype?
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.voip Job Justification Hearings, chose the
tried and tested strategy of:
> What type of company is skype then? Internet messaging?
I would say Facebook are bigger than Skype when it comes to number of users.
> The question should read what is the number one most used internet voice
> communication service by average daily users. Internet phone company or
> not this must be skype?
Perhaps you should rephrase your question "what is Skype the biggest company
of?" ;-)
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Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:23:10 -0500, phonepro wrote:
> What type of company is skype then? Internet messaging?
Skype go to great lengths to point out that they are not
a telephone company. If they were a telephone company, they
would have been hit by fines for refusing to abide by Ofcom
rules in the UK, e.g.:
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
"phonepro" wrote in message news:phonepro.4vrh0k@none...
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> What type of company is skype then? Internet messaging?
> The question should read what is the number one most used internet voice
> communication service by average daily users. Internet phone company or
> not this must be skype?
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/e858ad1c-7...#axzz1QEAhTi3H
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:20:07 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Benham
<adsb@address.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:23:10 -0500, phonepro wrote:
>
>> What type of company is skype then? Internet messaging?
>
>Skype go to great lengths to point out that they are not
>a telephone company. If they were a telephone company, they
>would have been hit by fines for refusing to abide by Ofcom
>rules in the UK, e.g.:
>
>http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/n...es-comply-999-
>ruling
>
>and I believe rulings in other countries (e.g. FCC in USA).
I don't blame Skype for refusing to comply. The rule makes sense for
UK fixed lines and mobiles, but a Skype user could be located anywhere
in the world. The 999 service is abused enough already. Do Ofcom
really want any Skype user anywhere in the world who happens to dial
999 from his phone to get connected to the UK emergency service?
Besides, there is also the question of jurisdiction. If Skype doesn't
have a physical presence in the UK why should they by subject to UK
rules? How many UK ISP's comply with rules from various other foreign
governments around the world?
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:51:14 +0700, Chris Blunt wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:20:07 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Benham
> <adsb@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:23:10 -0500, phonepro wrote:
>>
>>> What type of company is skype then? Internet messaging?
>>
>>Skype go to great lengths to point out that they are not a telephone
>>company. If they were a telephone company, they would have been hit by
>>fines for refusing to abide by Ofcom rules in the UK, e.g.:
>>
>>http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/n...skype-refuses-
comply-999-
>>ruling
>>
>>and I believe rulings in other countries (e.g. FCC in USA).
>
> I don't blame Skype for refusing to comply. The rule makes sense for UK
> fixed lines and mobiles, but a Skype user could be located anywhere in
> the world. The 999 service is abused enough already. Do Ofcom really
> want any Skype user anywhere in the world who happens to dial 999 from
> his phone to get connected to the UK emergency service?
That's a possible argument, but every UK telco providing VoIP has to
comply with Ofcom's rule - even if they disagree with it.
I just think the playing field should be level.
After all, IIRC one telco got fined by Ofcom after a customer called an
ambulance with a 999 call over VoIP and hadn't updated his home address
with the telco - an ambulance was sent to the wrong address and the
patient died.
> Besides, there is also the question of jurisdiction. If Skype doesn't
> have a physical presence in the UK why should they by subject to UK
> rules? How many UK ISP's comply with rules from various other foreign
> governments around the world?
Skype offer a choice of 17 UK area codes for their Skypein service. That
sounds like a UK presence to me. It also sounds to me rather like
they're a telephone company, but I must be mistaken.
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:46:15 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Benham
<adsb@address.invalid> wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:51:14 +0700, Chris Blunt wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:20:07 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Benham
>> <adsb@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:23:10 -0500, phonepro wrote:
>>>
>>>> What type of company is skype then? Internet messaging?
>>>
>>>Skype go to great lengths to point out that they are not a telephone
>>>company. If they were a telephone company, they would have been hit by
>>>fines for refusing to abide by Ofcom rules in the UK, e.g.:
>>>
>>>http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/n...skype-refuses-
>comply-999-
>>>ruling
>>>
>>>and I believe rulings in other countries (e.g. FCC in USA).
>>
>> I don't blame Skype for refusing to comply. The rule makes sense for UK
>> fixed lines and mobiles, but a Skype user could be located anywhere in
>> the world. The 999 service is abused enough already. Do Ofcom really
>> want any Skype user anywhere in the world who happens to dial 999 from
>> his phone to get connected to the UK emergency service?
>
>That's a possible argument, but every UK telco providing VoIP has to
>comply with Ofcom's rule - even if they disagree with it.
>I just think the playing field should be level.
>After all, IIRC one telco got fined by Ofcom after a customer called an
>ambulance with a 999 call over VoIP and hadn't updated his home address
>with the telco - an ambulance was sent to the wrong address and the
>patient died.
>
>> Besides, there is also the question of jurisdiction. If Skype doesn't
>> have a physical presence in the UK why should they by subject to UK
>> rules? How many UK ISP's comply with rules from various other foreign
>> governments around the world?
>
>Skype offer a choice of 17 UK area codes for their Skypein service. That
>sounds like a UK presence to me. It also sounds to me rather like
>they're a telephone company, but I must be mistaken.
But not a physical UK presence, or even a legal one. I believe Skype
are based in Luxembourg. There might not be much that Oftel can do
about it if Skype decide to ignore them?
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4i4i075cf02666te811ojo7i6qblchrd2a@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:46:15 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Benham
> <adsb@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:51:14 +0700, Chris Blunt wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:20:07 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Benham
>>> <adsb@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:23:10 -0500, phonepro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What type of company is skype then? Internet messaging?
>>>>
>>>>Skype go to great lengths to point out that they are not a telephone
>>>>company. If they were a telephone company, they would have been hit by
>>>>fines for refusing to abide by Ofcom rules in the UK, e.g.:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/n...skype-refuses-
>>comply-999-
>>>>ruling
>>>>
>>>>and I believe rulings in other countries (e.g. FCC in USA).
>>>
>>> I don't blame Skype for refusing to comply. The rule makes sense for UK
>>> fixed lines and mobiles, but a Skype user could be located anywhere in
>>> the world. The 999 service is abused enough already. Do Ofcom really
>>> want any Skype user anywhere in the world who happens to dial 999 from
>>> his phone to get connected to the UK emergency service?
>>
>>That's a possible argument, but every UK telco providing VoIP has to
>>comply with Ofcom's rule - even if they disagree with it.
>>I just think the playing field should be level.
>>After all, IIRC one telco got fined by Ofcom after a customer called an
>>ambulance with a 999 call over VoIP and hadn't updated his home address
>>with the telco - an ambulance was sent to the wrong address and the
>>patient died.
>>
>>> Besides, there is also the question of jurisdiction. If Skype doesn't
>>> have a physical presence in the UK why should they by subject to UK
>>> rules? How many UK ISP's comply with rules from various other foreign
>>> governments around the world?
>>
>>Skype offer a choice of 17 UK area codes for their Skypein service. That
>>sounds like a UK presence to me. It also sounds to me rather like
>>they're a telephone company, but I must be mistaken.
>
> But not a physical UK presence, or even a legal one. I believe Skype
> are based in Luxembourg. There might not be much that Oftel can do
> about it if Skype decide to ignore them?
>
> Chris
A couple of examples.
Sipgate.co.uk is a wholly German company, albeit aimed at the UK.
All their free accounts come with a free CLI, they also offer a free
optional 999 service.
Localphone.com is based in Sheffield and have withdrawn the geographic
numbers they once offered on free accounts calls from these Localphone accounts
present no number, even to another Telco
I imply no criticism for the stance of either of these two services which I find
very useful.
Incidentally, 0808 170 7788 will read back a CLI even if it is flagged withheld.
Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.voip Job Justification Hearings, Graham. chose
the tried and tested strategy of:
> Sipgate.co.uk is a wholly German company, albeit aimed at the UK.
> All their free accounts come with a free CLI, they also offer a free
> optional 999 service.
Sipgate aim to be a landline replacement, Skype does not, so I can
understand why Sipgate offer 999 even when they may not have to.
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Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.voip Job Justification Hearings, chose the
tried and tested strategy of:
> Skype are base in Luxembourg now are they? Interesting.
Why is that interesting?
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Re: Who is the biggest internet phone company in the world?
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:03:14 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
<nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:
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><phonepro> wrote in message news:phonepro.4vo1tp@none...
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>> Hi all, just a quicky. Does anyone have a clue who the biggest internet
>> phone company in the world is currently. Is it skype?
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
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>> phonepro
>
>Voice traffic originated and carried over the Internet - Skype.
> arguably not phone traffic as it is peer to peer not ITU.
>
>Companies providing regular phone service over the Internet [using SIP]
> hard to say - here in the UK there are dozens (Voipfone, Sipgate,
>Gradwell etc. etc.)
>
>Companies providing regular phone service where legs of the call are carried
>over the internet. Several contenders here - AT&T, BT, Vodafone,
>Telephonica (although by subscribers it is China Mobile). I suppose one
>could ask query whether their backbone networks are private and so not part
>of the [public] internet.
>
and in real life most "conventional" phone / mobile companies more or
less have to use IP internally at some point if they have bought new
equipment in the last decade.
All the old TDM kit doesnt seem to be made any more.....
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