>"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
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>
>> I can make free calls to virually anyone who has SIP
>> VoIP connection. There is nothing magical about Skype as
>> regards free calls.
>
>Given that Skype doesn't use SIP, how do you mange that..?
You misunderstood me Ivor, I was pointing out that on SIP VoIP it is
possible to call very nearly all other SIP VoIP phones for free so
that there was nothing special about Skype in the respect of free
calls.
"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:35:58 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:d28rg2tntkphpempmr4enkqqqbmkg16g0o@4ax.com
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > I can make free calls to virually anyone who has SIP
> > > VoIP connection. There is nothing magical about Skype
> > > as regards free calls.
> >
> > Given that Skype doesn't use SIP, how do you mange
> > that..?
> You misunderstood me Ivor, I was pointing out that on SIP
> VoIP it is possible to call very nearly all other SIP
> VoIP phones for free so that there was nothing special
> about Skype in the respect of free calls.
Ok, I see what you mean now, it's been a long day..!
radioham wrote:
> Watching a BBC prog yesterday featuring new generation handset, either skype
> or sip compatible. Skype is one of the most expensive voip carriers yet
> everyone thinks it is the dogs boxxox ?. IS it they are just clever at
> marketing.
>
>
>
Yes, they got a jump on the market. However, the product is
easy to set up and use, even behind firewalls. I don't know
if that can be said of all VoIP services.
People who use Skype are not typical of those who post to
this group because they don't care about technology, or make
detailed comparisons of calling rates. Most probably only
use it for calls to other subscribers, so the rates are of
no interest to them. They don't see Skype as a replacement
for landline telephony. Since most home users need a phone
line with their broadband, and competition for landline
calls is fierce, there is not much incentive for them to
look for a VoIP-based replacement.
That said, Skype has introduced many to internet telephony
who might go on to use other services. The SIP market
should welcome that opportunity, instead of trying to tell
people how stupid they are for using Skype.
And, despite what some posters here claim, the Skype
PC-to-PC call quality is - for most subscribers - much
superior to anything they will have used before.
In article <12gsq2k1nvc9na0@corp.supernews.com>, JW <jw@privacy.net>
writes
>radioham wrote:
>> Watching a BBC prog yesterday featuring new generation handset, either skype
>> or sip compatible. Skype is one of the most expensive voip carriers yet
>> everyone thinks it is the dogs boxxox ?. IS it they are just clever at
>> marketing.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Yes, they got a jump on the market. However, the product is
>easy to set up and use, even behind firewalls. I don't know
>if that can be said of all VoIP services.
>
>People who use Skype are not typical of those who post to
>this group because they don't care about technology, or make
>detailed comparisons of calling rates. Most probably only
>use it for calls to other subscribers, so the rates are of
>no interest to them. They don't see Skype as a replacement
>for landline telephony. Since most home users need a phone
>line with their broadband, and competition for landline
>calls is fierce, there is not much incentive for them to
>look for a VoIP-based replacement.
>
>That said, Skype has introduced many to internet telephony
>who might go on to use other services. The SIP market
>should welcome that opportunity, instead of trying to tell
>people how stupid they are for using Skype.
>
>And, despite what some posters here claim, the Skype
>PC-to-PC call quality is - for most subscribers - much
>superior to anything they will have used before.
There is another incentive to subscribe to Skype for VOIP not mentioned
here.
As I understand it, internationally Skype have the largest registered
VOIP subscriber base of all suppliers, and Skype to Skype calls are not
charged.
As well as being easy to set up, and allows web cams to see the other
party, they allow conferencing.
I do not use VOIP as my calls are paid for by my employer, and I do not
make many landline calls. So VOIP has not yet made a case (to me) for my
need to use it!
However, I am a poster to an internationally active technology group,
and most of them seem to have subscribed to Skype. This allows then to
speak, see each other and conference free when the need or mood drives
them.
So ... WHY SKYPE?
It is there, internationally subscribed to and works!
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:54:15 +0100, John
<fredclark@consltec.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>people who use Skype are not typical of those who post to
>>this group because they don't care about technology, or make
>>detailed comparisons of calling rates. Most probably only
>>use it for calls to other subscribers, so the rates are of
>>no interest to them. They don't see Skype as a replacement
>>for landline telephony.
They might not do but that is the way Skype, and the manufacturers of
Skype hardware, some of it comparitively expensive, are trying to
play it. Sadly, being non-technical and ignorant of other services
they are being drawn into forking out for Skype hardware that does not
afford good value for the limited service provided by the unique Skype
protocol.
>>And, despite what some posters here claim, the Skype
>>PC-to-PC call quality is - for most subscribers - much
>>superior to anything they will have used before.
>
It is usually quite good but sometimes B awful.
>There is another incentive to subscribe to Skype for VOIP not mentioned
>here.
>As I understand it, internationally Skype have the largest registered
>VOIP subscriber base of all suppliers, and Skype to Skype calls are not
>charged.
Yes people are on the same system but to contact someone on Skype
their computer has to be switched on or you contact them on a standard
landline and they then have to boot up their computer - bit of a faff.
Your statement ignores the fact that most SIP VoIP subscribers can
contact most other SIP VoIP subscribers - check out sipbroker http://tinyurl.com/lvtwm
A SIP VSP doesn't even have to have peering agreements for subscribers
to be able to contact subscribers with other VSPs.
>As well as being easy to set up, and allows web cams to see the other
>party, they allow conferencing.
Web cams: Yes, this is a positive for Skype.
>
>So ... WHY SKYPE?
>
>It is there, internationally subscribed to and works!
In my experience, for the most part it, does work well but it is not
exclusive by its international presence. There are hundreds of VoIP
service providers world wide. For a list check out sipbroker on http://tinyurl.com/lvtwm
I have used Skype from time to time but it is not something I take
seriously.
Lastly, I am a SIP VoIP snob and I don't care :-) !!
> Who can grant me that skype doesn't use my broadband
> connection bandwidth to make possible some charged
> calls?
No-one, and I don't think anyone has ever claimed the opposite. And what
difference does it make if the calls are charged or not?
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> OK, Philips are going to launch a Skype &
> landline DECT phone this Xmas (running Linux for those that are
> interested) who's base station plugs into an Ethernet port, phoneline &
> acts as a server. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8449749058.html
> If the premium over a std Philips DECT phone isn't too high (I've had good
> use from my Philips Onis system, now over 6yrs old), I maybe tempted but I
> take the point regarding hardware costs to access a 'free' service.
The aforementioned phone will be a lot cheaper than buying a PC to run Skype
on! But then again, who's got broadband and no PC?
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"alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message
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> Paul B wrote:
>
> > OK, Philips are going to launch a Skype &
> > landline DECT phone this Xmas (running Linux for those
> > that are interested) who's base station plugs into an
> > Ethernet port, phoneline & acts as a server.
> > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8449749058.html
> > If the premium over a std Philips DECT phone isn't too
> > high (I've had good use from my Philips Onis system,
> > now over 6yrs old), I maybe tempted but I take the
> > point regarding hardware costs to access a 'free'
> > service.
>
> The aforementioned phone will be a lot cheaper than
> buying a PC to run Skype on! But then again, who's got
> broadband and no PC?
Me, if I go somewhere and just take a Sipura 1001 with me and not my
laptop..! I stayed with a friend once and used my 1001 to make calls, I
used his PC to tweak the configuration when I plugged it in to the router
but I don't think he'd have been too keen on me installing Skype on it..!
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