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Old 07-31-2005, 10:12 PM
Ivor Jones
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<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:55:38 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>This isn't a forum it's a newsgroup set up under a charter. You are
>>correct in that you have no *obligation* to comply with the charter but
>>it
>>says a lot about you that you are so abusive about refusing to do so.

>
> Ivor when someone tells me not to do something that has no authority
> to do so I tend to do it all the more . There are far to many little
> Hitler's in this country trying to tell people what to do and not to
> do.


If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and request
you retract that remark. I am merely requesting that users of this group
comply with its charter. True, I have no *authority* to *tell* you to do
anything, I am merely *asking* - what is wrong with that..? Have you read
the charter..? I don't think it is unreasonable in what it asks.

Ivor



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Old 07-31-2005, 11:43 PM
Ivor Jones
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<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:12:56 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and request
>>you retract that remark.


> If the cap fits wear it Ivor if it doesn't then no harm done


But harm has been done. I repeat, please retract that remark.

>> I am merely requesting that users of this group
>>comply with its charter.

>
> No one USES groups Ivor we all read them .
>
>> Have you read
>>the charter..? I don't think it is unreasonable in what it asks.

>
> I have yet to read my first Ivor and I don't think that is going to
> happen , they mean nothing and are written by people who don't
> matter and have no authority over anyone who reads the news
> groups either so why bother reading charters .


I wrote this group's charter. If you are saying I don't matter, say so to
me directly. You know how to contact me.

> All the people I have seen contributing to this group are reasonable
> people so stop lecturing them or people will start to leave and the
> group will die .


Anyone is free to leave any time they like.

Ivor



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Old 08-01-2005, 12:21 AM
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:19:43 +0100, Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

>happen , they mean nothing and are written by people who don't
>matter and have no authority over anyone who reads the news
>groups either so why bother reading charters .


If the charter hadn't been written there would be no newsgroup and you
wouldn't be able to post this. You could have the decency to read the
work of those that created the group, even if you don't agree with it.

Rgds
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Old 08-01-2005, 12:23 AM
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<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 00:43:05 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>But harm has been done. I repeat, please retract that remark.

>
> No it wasn't aimed at you so don't start jumping up and down and
> stamping your feet .


I am doing neither. I repeat - please retract the remark.

Ivor



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Old 08-01-2005, 12:25 AM
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:24:34 +0100, Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

>Ivor when someone tells me not to do something that has no authority
>to do so I tend to do it all the more . There are far to many little
>Hitler's in this country trying to tell people what to do and not to
>do.


Unfortunately your self centred view of the world is one of the
reasons the country is in the condition it's in. I hate the nanny
state but with that attitude I can see why politicians seen the need
to regulate when people sneeze. Now what every you do don't jump off a
cliff will you.

Rgds
Jonathan


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Old 08-01-2005, 12:26 AM
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:12:56 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and request


Goodwin's Law anyone?

Rgds
Jonathan


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Old 08-01-2005, 12:58 AM
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"JC" <nospam@nospam.comm> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:12:56 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>>If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and request

>
> Goodwin's Law anyone?


No law, just disgusting taste.

Ivor



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Old 08-01-2005, 06:36 AM
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "JC" <nospam@nospam.comm> wrote in message
> news:41rqe1d1bagr5so306797f2mq96jsuu2ps@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:12:56 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and
>>>request

>>
>> Goodwin's Law anyone?

>
> No law, just disgusting taste.
>
> Ivor


Actually, having now read this, I agree.

http://members.tripod.com/~goodwin_2/law.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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Old 08-01-2005, 07:31 AM
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:12:56 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>
><Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:h6gqe1d50nd6gfmgpqpph1dhm9dgos4o3v@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:55:38 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This isn't a forum it's a newsgroup set up under a charter. You are
>>>correct in that you have no *obligation* to comply with the charter but
>>>it
>>>says a lot about you that you are so abusive about refusing to do so.

>>
>> Ivor when someone tells me not to do something that has no authority
>> to do so I tend to do it all the more . There are far to many little
>> Hitler's in this country trying to tell people what to do and not to
>> do.

>
>If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and request
>you retract that remark.


Ivor. As I'm sure you know very well, "little Hitler" is a commonly
used expression to describe someone who has a small amount of power
and who likes to make the most of it. You surely didn't really believe
you were being personally compared to Adolf Hitler himself, did you?

Chris


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Old 08-01-2005, 07:44 AM
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In message of Mon, 1 Aug 2005, writes
>On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:12:56 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
><ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and request
>>you retract that remark.

>If the cap fits wear it Ivor if it doesn't then no harm done
>
>> I am merely requesting that users of this group
>>comply with its charter.

>
>No one USES groups Ivor we all read them .
>
>> Have you read
>>the charter..? I don't think it is unreasonable in what it asks.

>
>I have yet to read my first Ivor and I don't think that is going to
>happen , they mean nothing and are written by people who don't
>matter and have no authority over anyone who reads the news
>groups either so why bother reading charters .
>All the people I have seen contributing to this group are reasonable
>people so stop lecturing them or people will start to leave and the
>group will die .


If people leave it will be because of people like you. I've resisted
replying before, partly because I have 'kill filed' you (dexter),
Stephan, and Stickams. But unfortunately I do see some of their posts
because they crop up as quotes in other people's posts.

I used to agree with some of your arguments, dexter. And I used to just
about managed to understand your posts despite your disabilities. But
then you got so boring with all of you moans and groans and going on and
on and on about particular dislikes. That's not what newsgroups are
about.

DF


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Old 08-01-2005, 08:13 AM
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"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@despammed.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

> Ivor. As I'm sure you know very well, "little Hitler" is a commonly
> used expression to describe someone who has a small amount of power
> and who likes to make the most of it. You surely didn't really believe
> you were being personally compared to Adolf Hitler himself, did you?
>
> Chris


Commonly used it may be but that does not mean I have to like it or put up
with it.

Besides, G(o)odwin's Law has now been invoked so I propose to leave it
there.

Ivor



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Old 08-01-2005, 08:39 AM
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:31:57 +0800, Chris Blunt
<chris_blunt@despammed.com> wrote:


>>If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and request
>>you retract that remark.

>
>Ivor. As I'm sure you know very well, "little Hitler" is a commonly
>used expression to describe someone who has a small amount of power
>and who likes to make the most of it. You surely didn't really believe
>you were being personally compared to Adolf Hitler himself, did you?
>
>Chris

Chris,

Under your definition, Ivor couldn't have been referred to since he
has no power whatsoever.

Don

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Old 08-01-2005, 10:11 AM
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Al <e@aa.invalid> wrote:
[...]
> With a loose canon like Dexter and the way he raves in this
> newsgroup it's often difficult to fathom out exactly what the heck
> the buffoon is on about.


Just killfile the fsckwit. You'll not be missing anything.

--
[On using heliographs in a more modern medium.]
Spammer #1: "What's with the burn marks?"
Spammer #2: "They're bouncing our message."
-- Rik Steenwinkel in the Monastery

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Old 08-01-2005, 11:58 AM
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:39:29 +0100, Don Carter <don@mrl.DROPTHIS.info>
wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:31:57 +0800, Chris Blunt
><chris_blunt@despammed.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and request
>>>you retract that remark.

>>
>>Ivor. As I'm sure you know very well, "little Hitler" is a commonly
>>used expression to describe someone who has a small amount of power
>>and who likes to make the most of it. You surely didn't really believe
>>you were being personally compared to Adolf Hitler himself, did you?
>>
>>Chris

>Chris,
>
>Under your definition, Ivor couldn't have been referred to since he
>has no power whatsoever.


He clearly thought he was being referred to.

Chris


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Old 08-01-2005, 04:10 PM
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in
> I wrote this group's charter. If you are saying I don't matter, say so to
> me directly. You know how to contact me.
>

yes ivor you dont matter people ignore you, so what if you wrote the charter
ffs you really do take this forum really rahter too seriousl dont you, you
DONT own it, you CANT police it and stop trying to prech the laws of Ivor,
i dont take this comment back "Yes you are a little hitler-- a sad man with
nothing better to do than bang on about what he thinks people should do.



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Old 08-01-2005, 04:11 PM
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> I am doing neither. I repeat - please retract the remark.
>
> Ivor
>
>


bwaahhhhhhhhh get a life as if dex is going to retract something which is
essentially true.



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Old 08-01-2005, 04:15 PM
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in
> > Besides, G(o)odwin's Law has now been invoked so I propose to leave it

> there.
>
> Ivor
>
>


ivor jones you really see this forum as your own personla playground dont
you, its public, you ARE A LITTLE HITLER, so please geta life and stop
riding rough shod over everyone else, if you dont like the fact its a public
forum perhaps you and your crnies, corlett,all, phil thompson and the other
members of the ivor ass kissin society should form your own private forum
wher you can rule to your hearts conten eh ivor.



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Old 08-01-2005, 04:16 PM
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"Don Carter" <don@mrl.DROPTHIS.info> wrote in message

>
> Under your definition, Ivor couldn't have been referred to since he
> has no power whatsoever.
>
> Don


never atruer word spoken well try and explain that to him he clearly cant
see it



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Old 08-01-2005, 04:21 PM
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"Stefan Kaniuk" <s.kaniuk@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in
>> I wrote this group's charter. If you are saying I don't matter, say so
>> to me directly. You know how to contact me.
>>

> yes ivor you dont matter people ignore you, so what if you wrote the
> charter ffs you really do take this forum really rahter too seriousl
> dont you, you DONT own it, you CANT police it and stop trying to prech
> the laws of Ivor, i dont take this comment back "Yes you are a little
> hitler-- a sad man with nothing better to do than bang on about what he
> thinks people should do.



http://members.tripod.com/~goodwin_2/law.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


Ivor

Oh and it's still not a forum.



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Old 08-01-2005, 04:22 PM
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"Stefan Kaniuk" <s.kaniuk@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in
>> > Besides, G(o)odwin's Law has now been invoked so I propose to leave
>> > it

>> there.
>>
>> Ivor
>>
>>

>
> ivor jones you really see this forum as your own personla playground
> dont you, its public, you ARE A LITTLE HITLER, so please geta life
> and stop riding rough shod over everyone else, if you dont like the fact
> its a public forum perhaps you and your crnies, corlett,all, phil
> thompson and the other members of the ivor ass kissin society should
> form your own private forum wher you can rule to your hearts conten eh
> ivor.


For the last time go and research the difference between a newsgroup and a
forum.

Ivor



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Old 08-01-2005, 04:27 PM
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Stefan Kaniuk" <s.kaniuk@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:8QrHe.875$9K3.335@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in
>>> I wrote this group's charter. If you are saying I don't matter, say so
>>> to me directly. You know how to contact me.
>>>

>> yes ivor you dont matter people ignore you, so what if you wrote the
>> charter ffs you really do take this forum really rahter too seriousl dont
>> you, you DONT own it, you CANT police it and stop trying to prech the
>> laws of Ivor, i dont take this comment back "Yes you are a little
>> hitler-- a sad man with nothing better to do than bang on about what he
>> thinks people should do.

>
>
> http://members.tripod.com/~goodwin_2/law.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
>
>
> Ivor
>
> Oh and it's still not a forum.
>
>


you sad,sad man--i bet your abut 50+ with adirty grey beard and a mac and
wellies hung up in the hallway ready to go prowling and tryig to rule the
streets where you live eh ivor you sad,sad old man



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Old 08-01-2005, 04:29 PM
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Stefan Kaniuk" <s.kaniuk@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:sUrHe.887$9K3.73@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in
>>> > Besides, G(o)odwin's Law has now been invoked so I propose to leave it
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Ivor
>>>
>>>

>>
>> ivor jones you really see this forum as your own personla playground
>> dont you, its public, you ARE A LITTLE HITLER, so please geta life and
>> stop riding rough shod over everyone else, if you dont like the fact its
>> a public forum perhaps you and your crnies, corlett,all, phil thompson
>> and the other members of the ivor ass kissin society should form your own
>> private forum wher you can rule to your hearts conten eh ivor.

>
> For the last time go and research the difference between a newsgroup and a
> forum.
>
> Ivor
>
>


ooooooooh i immediately instruct you to retract that statement --im the
boss i dont like anyone telling me anything thats the truth so immediately
retract that statement, immediately i tell you



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Old 08-01-2005, 04:36 PM
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In message of Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Ivor Jones writes
>
>"Stefan Kaniuk" <s.kaniuk@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>news:sUrHe.887$9K3.73@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in
>>> > Besides, G(o)odwin's Law has now been invoked so I propose to leave
>>> > it
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Ivor
>>>
>>>

>>
>> ivor jones you really see this forum as your own personla playground
>> dont you, its public, you ARE A LITTLE HITLER, so please geta life
>> and stop riding rough shod over everyone else, if you dont like the fact
>> its a public forum perhaps you and your crnies, corlett,all, phil
>> thompson and the other members of the ivor ass kissin society should
>> form your own private forum wher you can rule to your hearts conten eh
>> ivor.

>
>For the last time go and research the difference between a newsgroup and a
>forum.
>
>Ivor
>


I didn't see the original post from Kaniuk as he's barred in my system,
but unfortunately I've seen the quote above.

Ivor, since you know a bit about formation of Newsgroups etc. is there
any way that this weird bloke's account can be terminated due to
abusiveness etc. Failing that, the best way forward is not to make any
replies to those that abuse this newsgroup.

I've been reading and contributing to newsgroups for over 15 years now
and I've not come across any-one like Kaniuk.

DF

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Old 08-01-2005, 04:55 PM
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"David Floyd" <david@floyd.org.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]

> I didn't see the original post from Kaniuk as he's barred in my system,
> but unfortunately I've seen the quote above.
>
> Ivor, since you know a bit about formation of Newsgroups etc. is there
> any way that this weird bloke's account can be terminated due to
> abusiveness etc. Failing that, the best way forward is not to make any
> replies to those that abuse this newsgroup.


True, but sometimes I can't help myself..!

Unfortunately, while someone can be reported to their ISP, it is rare that
any action is taken. So we have to put up with him. I propose to add him
to my killfile now (the first entry, I have always resisted until now) so
he won't bother me again.

> I've been reading and contributing to newsgroups for over 15 years now
> and I've not come across any-one like Kaniuk.


Oh one or two come close <g>

Ivor



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Old 08-01-2005, 05:42 PM
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If you are going to mention me please be so good as to spell my name
correctly.


"David Floyd" <david@floyd.org.uk> wrote in message
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| In message of Mon, 1 Aug 2005, writes
| >On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:12:56 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
| ><ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
| >
| >
| >>If you are comparing me to Hitler, then I take great offence and request
| >>you retract that remark.
| >If the cap fits wear it Ivor if it doesn't then no harm done
| >
| >> I am merely requesting that users of this group
| >>comply with its charter.
| >
| >No one USES groups Ivor we all read them .
| >
| >> Have you read
| >>the charter..? I don't think it is unreasonable in what it asks.
| >
| >I have yet to read my first Ivor and I don't think that is going to
| >happen , they mean nothing and are written by people who don't
| >matter and have no authority over anyone who reads the news
| >groups either so why bother reading charters .
| >All the people I have seen contributing to this group are reasonable
| >people so stop lecturing them or people will start to leave and the
| >group will die .
|
| If people leave it will be because of people like you. I've resisted
| replying before, partly because I have 'kill filed' you (dexter),
| Stephan, and Stickams. But unfortunately I do see some of their posts
| because they crop up as quotes in other people's posts.
|
| I used to agree with some of your arguments, dexter. And I used to just
| about managed to understand your posts despite your disabilities. But
| then you got so boring with all of you moans and groans and going on and
| on and on about particular dislikes. That's not what newsgroups are
| about.
|
| DF
|



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Old 08-01-2005, 07:26 PM
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "David Floyd" <david@floyd.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:ZeN2O$W$9k7CFwIP@127.0.0.1...
>
>> I've been reading and contributing to newsgroups for over 15 years
>> now and I've not come across any-one like Kaniuk.

>
> Oh one or two come close <g>
>


I've now had enough, and just put the obvious 3 names in my 'Block
Sender' list.



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Old 08-01-2005, 08:09 PM
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Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:36:15 +0100, David Floyd <david@floyd.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ivor, since you know a bit about formation of Newsgroups etc. is there
>>any way that this weird bloke's account can be terminated due to
>>abusiveness etc. Failing that, the best way forward is not to make any
>>replies to those that abuse this newsgroup.

>
> You another that cannot stand the truth being told David so you have


YOU / YOU'RE!!!!

> to start calling in the net cops, banning someone would archive


ARCHIVE / ACHIEVE!!!

> nothing except waist peoples time you silly arse one can always come


WAIST / WASTE!!!

> back has someone else use your brains David .


HAS /AS!!!

>


Try using yours!

<plonk>

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> Now Stefan how many times does the teacher have to tell you this is
> not a forum !!!!! .


silly me i musnt forget that now lets get on with disussing
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